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12 Feb 2006, 20:46 (Ref:1521254)
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Why have tyre stops returned?
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12 Feb 2006, 20:56 (Ref:1521273)
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Simple.
Ferrari is evil. The FIA is evil. They combine forces to create Ultimate Evil. Tyre stops are this Ultimate Evil in its physical form. |
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12 Feb 2006, 21:06 (Ref:1521293)
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My guess would be safety.
A tyre failure is usually going to cause a big accident and last years rules encouraged teams to push their luck on badly worn tyres. |
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12 Feb 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1521314)
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I also think that safety is a main reason for the tyre stops to return, especially after what happened to Kimi in Nurburgring and in Indianapolis.
I am in favour of tyre changes, and If I'd have to choose, I prefer to see tyre changes rather than refuelling the car. |
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12 Feb 2006, 22:06 (Ref:1521330)
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Because Ferrari were losing.
We all know that Ferrari is the evil empire with the ambition to rule the universe! 
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12 Feb 2006, 22:17 (Ref:1521341)
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Tyre companies are quite capable of developing tyres that last a Grand Prix distance. It's just that they naturally wish to push the performance aspect in the performance VS durability issue. 2005 was the first year of single-set race conditions. I'm quite sure that with a bit more experience they would have been capable of more consistently making a tyre that lasts the distance without as much wear. Sadly, we won't be able to see that now because tyre stops are back and races will probably be more of a sprint format again, with the emphasis on pit stops and teams wishing to utilise more pit stops on average per race when compared to last year. |
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12 Feb 2006, 22:38 (Ref:1521362)
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®îjñtjûh, I'm glad someone sees the truth!
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12 Feb 2006, 23:17 (Ref:1521389)
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Guys, what is the story with this "evil empire" ? Is Star wars weekend on TV ?
 I thought they were the lords of the middle earth... |
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12 Feb 2006, 23:25 (Ref:1521395)
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lol
I think you're talking about Toyota there  
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12 Feb 2006, 23:31 (Ref:1521402)
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I think its right that tire changes are back, but I think they should be limited to a maximum of 2 changes during the race.
3 changes of tires in race is just way too much. |
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12 Feb 2006, 23:42 (Ref:1521409)
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If you make a maximum then you get into all the same "classification" issues regarding changes for safety reasons...blah-blah-blah that we had with 1-tyre.
If it is 1-tyre, then that is a bearable necessity. If we have multiple stops, then there is just no point to bringing in such ambiguity. What makes 2 okay, but not 3? Why not say only one, for two is too many? Or none, because one is too many? Or mandate 5, because less is too few? Either allow tyre-changes unlimited, or don't allow them at all (save for said grey area of safety changes). |
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13 Feb 2006, 00:41 (Ref:1521440)
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Without tyre changes, teams still make two pitstops on average per race. And i do find it quite strange to see nobody working on the wheels last season.
I'm not too sure, but one of the things that seem to impress viewers new to F1 is how quick the pitstop is... how they change the wheels in 5secs. Safety wise, i'm in favour of tyre changes. Of course, even with tyre changes, safety may not be 100% and tyre failures may still happen (weak structure, drivers pushing soft compounds too far), but it does reduce the window of such situations and allow teams to remedy appropriately before it happens. I believe last year's one-off season of no tyre changes prove tyre manufacturers can make a long-distance tyres without compromising too much on pace. it would still be relevant this season, when teams find that their "harder" tyres are a better option. |
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13 Feb 2006, 01:06 (Ref:1521451)
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For some inexplicable reason RedBull voted in favour of tyre changes when Michelin clearly had a one tyre rule advantage..Yes that's right they do have Ferrari engines.
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13 Feb 2006, 01:44 (Ref:1521462)
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13 Feb 2006, 03:06 (Ref:1521490)
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13 Feb 2006, 06:04 (Ref:1521531)
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1 person can change a tyre in 6 secs in other professional series 2 people can change a tyre in 4 secs in other professional series 3 people can change a tyre in 3 secs in F1 Whopty-do, they all have similar equipment so I don't think the viewers are that impressed Get rid of tyre changes and get rid of refueling I say! |
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13 Feb 2006, 09:54 (Ref:1521626)
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It seemed daft to me last year to see cars that had to pit for fuel anyway but not allowed to change tyres! 'Economy tyres' made a nonsense of F1 being the ultimate motorsport...limiting tyres is as nonsensical as F3 having to endure a restriction on income fresh air! Fresh tyres add a performance spike to the cars performance and give the driver a fresh chance to fight on (if the cars running ok) and give us a more exciting and more unpredictable race. |
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13 Feb 2006, 10:17 (Ref:1521638)
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I don't know what a ridiculas spectical is (a snake?), but alot has changed since the 60's, like telemetry and pit-to-car and car-to-pit radio communication.
Refuelling is unsafe and should be banned. |
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13 Feb 2006, 13:42 (Ref:1521785)
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13 Feb 2006, 13:47 (Ref:1521790)
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Tyre changes have been re-introduced, because most fans were in favour of it.
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13 Feb 2006, 14:03 (Ref:1521801)
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The idea of the one-tyre rule being dangerous is completely flawed. First off, the tyre changes themselves are dangerous, and there is always the risk of a newly-attached tyre coming away form the car shortly afterwards. Using more tyres increases the risk of getting a dodgy one, and the tyres are approaching their limit of performance more times in the race when they are being regularly changed. I'm pretty sure there were more tyre failures in 2004 than 2005. Indy is not really relevent, that situation could've happened without the change in tyre construction.
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13 Feb 2006, 14:08 (Ref:1521802)
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Because someone at the top has been watching A1GP!
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13 Feb 2006, 14:24 (Ref:1521809)
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13 Feb 2006, 14:42 (Ref:1521819)
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13 Feb 2006, 15:18 (Ref:1521834)
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[QUOTE=Formula John]Because someone at the top has been watching A1GP!
Ya know, I was thinking the same thing. Hopefully they saw the helo-lift of stopped cars which minimizes the yellow-time, too. |
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