Gen 2 Supercar

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Reload

Always put my hand up when I'm wrong. I thought that you'd know the dog on the tuckerbox question ?

its 5 miles from Gundagai?

however lets discuss Gen 2 rather than me again (we have a thread for that)

PRA saying they will take a falcon through 2017 and maybe even 2018, however they have an "undisclosed manufacturer" in discussion re 2018 or later

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Compromised

I wonder if a Supercar motor can run for 12 or 24 hours race pace reliably, with sometimes less than professional drivers abusing it???

Why not ask Mal Rose:
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/top...ening-practice

12th outright and class win in Invitational after 248 laps in 2013 in a GRM-built V8Supercar.

Also crunched out just under 500 laps in each of the 2 Dubai 24hr appearances it has had, had also some appearances at 24hr Spa, Nurburgring races.

I suspect the current engines would even be less stressed than the earlier ones - we got a lot of the current minimum weights and so on to try to stop the engine arms race that was going on a while back.

Originally Posted by Reload

To be fair i just checked with Scud and he did say $500k, but I must have been in another world and missed the all important "Euro's" bit , so about $750k AUD. And in fairness of good reporting there is this info below from the very knowledgeable Sportscar 365 who suggest around $800k AUD.

And people scoff when I say that going GT3 wouldn't be sustainable long term as a direction for V8Supercars. There are people with some deeeeeep pockets keeping these series going.

Funny that a bunch of people accused me of exaggerating when I used these sorts of figures. if that is how expensive it is to buy, how expensive is a decent crash going to be?

I hate to think.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Why not ask Mal Rose:
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/top...ening-practice

12th outright and class win in Invitational after 248 laps in 2013 in a GRM-built V8Supercar.

Also crunched out just under 500 laps in each of the 2 Dubai 24hr appearances it has had, had also some appearances at 24hr Spa, Nurburgring races.

I suspect the current engines would even be less stressed than the earlier ones - we got a lot of the current minimum weights and so on to try to stop the engine arms race that was going on a while back.



And people scoff when I say that going GT3 wouldn't be sustainable long term as a direction for V8Supercars. There are people with some deeeeeep pockets keeping these series going.

Funny that a bunch of people accused me of exaggerating when I used these sorts of figures. if that is how expensive it is to buy, how expensive is a decent crash going to be?

I hate to think.

No doubt that the 488 is incredibly expensive, especially when you consider that you can buy 2 Lambo's for the same price.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Reload

No doubt that the 488 is incredibly expensive, especially when you consider that you can buy 2 Lambo's for the same price.

No you cant, a huracan is 370K Euro. compared to that 500K Euro number

porsche mclaren, audi and BMW M6 are all around 400K Euro as well

Now moving on, imagine if there was Gt3 forum where all this information was discussed often, oh wait....

PRA running falcons for another year, great news for the ford fans

[Reload]

Originally Posted by peckstar

No you cant, a huracan is 370K Euro. compared to that 500K Euro number

porsche mclaren, audi and BMW M6 are all around 400K Euro as well

Now moving on, imagine if there was Gt3 forum where all this information was discussed often, oh wait....

PRA running falcons for another year, great news for the ford fans

Rex's are about $475k AUD. You make the GT3 forum comment after making another GT3 comment yourself and I think you'll find that our resident moderator started the GT3 comments.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Reload

Rex's are about $475k AUD. You make the GT3 forum comment after making another GT3 comment yourself and I think you'll find that our resident moderator started the GT3 comments.

Moving on, All the info on superceded models are on the gt3 forum

This is Gen 2 supercar discusion, there will be no Gt3 cars in Gen 2

Prodrive hey, keeping the falcon into 2017, good for Ford fans, yes or no?
Will mean another year of Ford vs holden

[Mixer]

Good for Prodrive but you wonder how they will go over time, surely they are not going to build any new cars.

I'm hoping Holden will see fit to race the Insignia, eventually with a twin-turbo V6 representing the likely HSV model.

But the serious question is, only as an importer can you really stomach the cost?

I guess Nissan and Volvo tell us you can - and by all reports the return on investment on an overall level is pretty good. I see both of these guys doing very good corporate work with dealerships and in B2B land.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Good for Prodrive but you wonder how they will go over time, surely they are not going to build any new cars.

I'm hoping Holden will see fit to race the Insignia, eventually with a twin-turbo V6 representing the likely HSV model.

But the serious question is, only as an importer can you really stomach the cost?

I guess Nissan and Volvo tell us you can - and by all reports the return on investment on an overall level is pretty good. I see both of these guys doing very good corporate work with dealerships and in B2B land.

I imagine the building of new cars will depend on their 2018 plans. if they stay with the falcon or not

[Samwhk]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Sorry where did i say I belived that?

And why would any intelligent person compare a restricted v8 motor to an unrestricted v6 turbo motor, Thats just a stupid thought pattern.

Repeating for the 3rd time this was response to "Why not turbo V8s? Why not V10? Why not rotary? Why not supercharged V12? Why not run what ya brung?"

I'm still struggling to understand why you're against engines with more cylinders, or forced induction on V8's, when you know that the current engines, along with the proposed V6 turbos will be restricted anyway?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

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But the serious question is, only as an importer can you really stomach the cost?

I guess Nissan and Volvo tell us you can - and by all reports the return on investment on an overall level is pretty good. I see both of these guys doing very good corporate work with dealerships and in B2B land.

Haven't both declined to confirm their participation moving forward into Gen 2. The ROI can't be that good as you are saying based their current hesitation

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Haven't both declined to confirm their participation moving forward into Gen 2. The ROI can't be that good as you are saying based their current hesitation

Can't confirm something that is not confirmed yet. I can't tell even what my marketing budget for 2017 is yet...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Can't confirm something that is not confirmed yet. I can't tell even what my marketing budget for 2017 is yet...

You would have indicative funding or a strong indication of this. It's quite obvious even with finances pending both companies aren't beating down the door

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

You would have indicative funding or a strong indication of this. It's quite obvious even with finances pending both companies aren't beating down the door

When there is something to be confirmed it will be confirmed.

[fredd1]

That sounds like confirmation then.....

[dsg]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

You would have indicative funding or a strong indication of this.

Internally they may have a position.

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

It's quite obvious even with finances pending both companies aren't beating down the door

Its quite obvious this is a guess.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

Internally they may have a position.



Its quite obvious this is a guess.

Haven't they both made public comments about their uncertainty about the Gen 2 regs?

[velly4]

Tim Edwards confirmed this morning the cost of the current cars. Half a million dollars in parts alone with zero spares and no labour costs in that. Safe to say $600,000+

[gravin]

Very quiet on gen 2.

Could this be part of the reason for Volvo losing faith - no proven formula / or proof of concept (Running Holden example) to move forward with - would have expected them to want to move from the V8 as it wasn't going to be part of their drivetrain line up.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by gravin

Very quiet on gen 2.

Could this be part of the reason for Volvo losing faith - no proven formula / or proof of concept (Running Holden example) to move forward with - would have expected them to want to move from the V8 as it wasn't going to be part of their drivetrain line up.

Really in the week after Nissan signed and sited Gen 2 in their announcement.

Think you're trolling

[Umai Naa]

Gen 2 was meant to come on line next year.

Then it was pushed back to 2018.

Then Nissan said after renewing their commitment to the Kellys, that they're running the Altima, with the V8 in it in 2018.

The reality is, Gen 2 is just opening up engine and body style freedom. It'll all still be built off the CotF platform.

[Compromised]

Keen to see the holden v6 vs the Nismo v8 (maybe Ford v8?), initially at least. You'd think any existing v8 will hold an advantage for awhile

[Samwhk]

Originally Posted by Compromised

Keen to see the holden v6 vs the Nismo v8 (maybe Ford v8?), initially at least. You'd think any existing v8 will hold an advantage for awhile

I know Holden have said that T8 will supply all Holden chassis, and there will be a central engine distributor (I'm guessing KRE?), but will some of the privateer teams be allowed to continue to run the VF with the existing V8?
You would think that if the older, more developed platform out performed the new weapons, that may redden some faces in corporate.

[Umai Naa]

It's the same platform they're using now.

Nothing changes besides the bodywork and engines.

Triple Eight only have the rights to develop and on-sell the incoming VF replacement's panels.

[Samwhk]

In that case, we might see LDM, Erebus and xHRT ahead of the factory team for a spell


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[gravin]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really in the week after Nissan signed and sited Gen 2 in their announcement.

Think you're trolling

I don't troll - but wondered what others have heard in regard to gen 2.

AFAIK only Holden has expressed what they are planning from 2018.