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23 Jan 2009, 15:38 (Ref:2377625)
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23 Jan 2009, 16:14 (Ref:2377651)
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Has Lewis Hamilton and the two or three other non-GPDA drivers (Adrian Sutil? Is Kimi Raikkonen a member?) signed up?
An F1 driver's strike - which I'm not suggesting is likely - could be a bizzare prospect. It's happened in other sports in the US, with seasons being mutilated and in one case cancelled. In F1, what would happen? Getting on the phone to retired guys and GP2 pedallers to find non-union labour? |
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Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier."
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23 Jan 2009, 16:24 (Ref:2377663)
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23 Jan 2009, 16:29 (Ref:2377670)
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Why do they have to pay 2,000 Euros per point scored?
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23 Jan 2009, 16:35 (Ref:2377680)
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To fund Max Mosley's supply of plasters.
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Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier."
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23 Jan 2009, 16:38 (Ref:2377684)
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Surely imposing a "fine" of €2100 per point discourages drivers towards the back to push to get points if by the last couple of races there was no mathmatical way of getting any higher in the championship.
Wouldn't it be better to work it like car insurance and the more points (more experience) a driver has the less he has to pay? |
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23 Jan 2009, 16:39 (Ref:2377688)
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Or charge them all the same amount.
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Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier."
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23 Jan 2009, 16:41 (Ref:2377691)
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Once they all stick together and refuse to pay, there's not much the FIA can do really.
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All the same, isn't there a grand oul stretch in the evenings...
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23 Jan 2009, 16:50 (Ref:2377699)
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Would the FIA be able to swallow its pride and cut the Superlicence fee though? Or could we wind up with a strike ... Guido Van Der Garde in a McLaren versus a one-off return for Damon Hill in a Torro Rosso? Or Jake Humphrey having to explain to viewers why the GP won't be on?
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Marbot : "Ironically, the main difference between a Red Bull and a Virgin is that Red Bull can make parts of its car smaller and floppier."
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23 Jan 2009, 16:58 (Ref:2377706)
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Or they pull their multi-million pound earning fingers out their backsides, realise the money goes into research to keep them alive in an accident, and cough up.
Yes, yes, some of them pay for their drives - whatever, the sums of money involved still make this licence small change to them. If any driver late or early in the season didn't push for just one extra point because of a couple thousand Euros we should all be questioning them a bit more. They are getting as primadonnaish as footballers. |
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23 Jan 2009, 17:01 (Ref:2377711)
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But what is the actual reason for them having to pay when they finish in the points? I don't understand it. That means when you win a race, you have to shed out 10,000 Euros because you won. ???
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23 Jan 2009, 17:07 (Ref:2377716)
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It sounds a lot, but it's small change...
I imagine the rational is to give even just a small boost to the smaller teams by the majority of the Superlicence funding coming from those at the sharp end. Lets be fair, Lewis Hamilton (much as I love the man, I'm not one of them sorts) can put some of that tax money he saves towards it. |
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23 Jan 2009, 17:13 (Ref:2377720)
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Yeah I know it's just small change for the drivers. But I am just confused as to why they have to pay when they get a point.
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23 Jan 2009, 18:32 (Ref:2377781)
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I have never heard of any other sport that charges you more to compete based on success.
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23 Jan 2009, 18:59 (Ref:2377810)
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23 Jan 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2377814)
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But F1 is the genesis for illogical thinking...
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23 Jan 2009, 19:20 (Ref:2377822)
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23 Jan 2009, 21:25 (Ref:2377891)
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It's not the money it is the principle.
It is wrong because the cost of the licence does not bear any resemblance to the charge. There is no justification for the the charge. The cost of safety development is not bourne by the licence fee. If it was then that would be an interesting argument but you would need evidence of benefit to support it. The FIA (or its president) has ridiculed the GPDA and its representatives on more than one occasion in recent years and has ignored some of their pleas and arguments on safety issues so they have no real representation within the FIA. If they did it may be different. I would be quite happy to see a grid sit down 60 minutes before the opening GP of the season..... |
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23 Jan 2009, 21:28 (Ref:2377893)
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Charge the drivers 100K for their license and give them BACK 2K for each point they score!
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23 Jan 2009, 21:28 (Ref:2377894)
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23 Jan 2009, 21:33 (Ref:2377903)
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The idea that they should simply put up with an insufficiently justified 5-600% fee increase just because they're wealthy doesn't hold much weight. |
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23 Jan 2009, 23:12 (Ref:2377965)
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FIA should make the Superlicence worth 33.33% of what you earn.
e.g Hamilton would have to pay about $28 million and Sutil would have to pay about $50 Thousand |
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My Favourite 08 moment was when Courtney/Besnard comeback drive at Bathurst. Courtney raced through to dominate the opening stint had 15 sec. gap to Lowndes who was in 2nd. In the 2nd stint a slowly deflating tyre (originally diagnosed as a damaged anti-roll bar) slowed Besnard's stint in Courtney's car allowing Whincup to assert dominance over the field rest of the race. On lap 160 S.Richards, fading badly on rear tyres was unable to stop Courtney move into 3rd place.
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23 Jan 2009, 23:15 (Ref:2377968)
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I don't understand why?
Perhaps the % should increase with salary too? 
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24 Jan 2009, 03:28 (Ref:2378040)
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24 Jan 2009, 04:38 (Ref:2378049)
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If the drivers don't have this cost covered by their individual contracts, they need better lawyers!
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