FIA GT GT3 World Final

NaBUru38 · 29 Aug 2011, 12:47 (Ref:2947627)

Now Ratel has yet another crazy idea:

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Dagys

GT3 World Final In The Works?

Ratel has revealed his vision of creating an end-of-year [GT3] World Final for championship-winning teams.

The concept could be launched as early as next year in an exotic location, according to Ratel.

“[It] would be a three-hour race like Blancpain and then two one-hour races like GT3,” he said.

“Look at the number of GT3 teams in Europe, it’s phenomenal. If you add Brazil and the rest, it’s a lot.”

Personally, I like it. But the question is always: will it happen?

Carsandmotorracing · 29 Aug 2011, 13:07 (Ref:2947648)

Ohhh I'd love to see it happen, and you never know this might just go ahead.

TheNewBob · 29 Aug 2011, 17:04 (Ref:2947789)

It would be very interesting to see this happen. How many championships cater for GT3 cars now? Including some series like Dutch Supercar Challenge and Britcar etc. there must be loads of people with GT3 cars, it would be great to get the best of them together.

**joeb** · 29 Aug 2011, 17:09 (Ref:2947792)

This would be a neat race to see. I would laugh if somehow the same car won all the regional series, so the GT3 World Final would be a spec race of Audi R8's or something!

Also, who does Ratel think is going to pay for this?

Fogelhund · 29 Aug 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2947807)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

so the GT3 World Final would be a spec race of Audi R8's or something!

Also, who does Ratel think is going to pay for this?

Why Audi of course.

Speed-King · 29 Aug 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2947808)

Kinda reminds me of the old Super-Touring World Finals in the mid-90s... All in all GT3 is becoming a lot like Supertouring, and that's a bit of a worrying thought...

johntt · 29 Aug 2011, 20:24 (Ref:2947922)

They managed it for the Porsche Carrera Cup at the Nurburgring so it is possible.

You'd have to get the top cars from:
FIA GT3
Blancpain
British GT
ADAC
FFSA
Nordic Supercar
Belgian GT
Italian GT
Iberian GT
Brazilian GT
Australian GT
GT Asia
Super Taikyu
...all together in a suitable venue.

Nick6 · 29 Aug 2011, 20:33 (Ref:2947928)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Kinda reminds me of the old Super-Touring World Finals in the mid-90s... All in all GT3 is becoming a lot like Supertouring, and that's a bit of a worrying thought...

Plenty of good used cars for the VLN Sp classes in the future then.

AndrewF31 · 29 Aug 2011, 20:40 (Ref:2947930)

Spanish GT and Portuguese GT are currently separate.

There's also superstars gt or whatever it's called, if it's within the GT3 spirit, which I have my doubts about.

KA · 29 Aug 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2947952)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Kinda reminds me of the old Super-Touring World Finals in the mid-90s... All in all GT3 is becoming a lot like Supertouring, and that's a bit of a worrying thought...

If Ratel can find an overall event sponsor who can finance a travel package for teams (and the right venue and TV deal), then the idea has great potential- but it'll stand or fall on it's ability to draw enough of an entry- the ST World Cup events certainly drew fairly spectacular grids

Quote:

Originally Posted by johntt

They managed it for the Porsche Carrera Cup at the Nurburgring so it is possible.

You'd have to get the top cars from:
FIA GT3
Blancpain
British GT
ADAC
FFSA
Nordic Supercar
Belgian GT
Italian GT
Iberian GT
Brazilian GT
Australian GT
GT Asia
Super Taikyu
...all together in a suitable venue.

Which could be a problem- could shipping a car and team from Australia, Brazil or Japan prove prohibitively expensive for a one-off event? Even if Ratel can put together a good shipping deal from Europe to whatever 'exotic' venue he chooses, it doesn't help as much if you've also got to pay out to ship your car from Australia or wherever to Europe first...

Thinking back to the ST World Cups, the representation from Australia or South Africa was often by drivers from those series using cars actually run by European-based teams, rather than their own regular cars- for example, looking back to Donington in '94, as I remember, BMW South Africa's driver Shaun van der Linde appeared in a Schnitzer or Bigazzi BMW, rather than his own team shipping their regular car over.

In the same way, if you're the Australian or Brazilian GT3 champions using, say, a 458, it might make the event more cost-effective for Ratel if you were allowed to lease a car from AF Corse or whoever for the event, than ship your own over?

NightStalk3r · 30 Aug 2011, 03:16 (Ref:2948088)

Quote:

Originally Posted by johntt

They managed it for the Porsche Carrera Cup at the Nurburgring so it is possible.

Not really the same, the Porsche Carrera World Cup was an official round for each of the national Cup championships+Supercup.

MitchZ06 · 30 Aug 2011, 06:20 (Ref:2948113)

Considering the AusGT is usually won by a non-GT3 homologated Mosler I'm not sure how they're going to allow it in....

Jameson · 30 Aug 2011, 08:56 (Ref:2948180)

Would be nice to know how he plans to do with the BoP, tyres, driver categories. Well, he probably doesn't care about the sportive side of his idea.

After all, national championships allow pro drivers which FIA GT3 doesn't. BoP is different in FIA vs. Blancpain vs. nationals. And they use either different Michelin or different brand altogether in different countries.

NaBUru38 · 30 Aug 2011, 15:34 (Ref:2948352)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewF31

Spanish GT and Portuguese GT are currently separate.

The Iberian GT is here, with one Portuguese round (Estoril; Algarve was cancelled). There isn't any Portuguese GT, at least from GT Sport folks. They do run the International GT Open, which mixes GT2 and GT3 classes.

The GT Sprint is run by the Superstars folks, and also allow GT2 and Gt3 cars.

Joe Taylor · 30 Aug 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2948353)

Sounds like a good idea - puts me in mind of the 2004 GT Festival at Bahrain.

Tim the Grey · 30 Aug 2011, 16:03 (Ref:2948363)

The Devil, as said elsewhere, is in the Details.
Which tyre to use, and how much time is there to be for teams to 'Dial In' to them?

I know British GT series Avons run a LOT slower than the Euro GT3 Michelins or Dunlops, but then they are designed to do that...

Perhaps Stefan can pay for it, out of his commissions!

Mt. Lynx · 30 Aug 2011, 17:53 (Ref:2948442)

First post here!

As someone suggested earlier, why not use loaner cars? Just fly in the teams and have them race the particular carmodel they use in their specific championship, only all cars could be from the GT3 European championship. yeah, I know, hard with f ex the Mosler, but still.

This would possibly impose some problems for especially the drivers, whom would have to learn (and set up) a new car basically over night, but the same can be said if they just slap on Michelins on all cars.

AndrewF31 · 30 Aug 2011, 20:17 (Ref:2948553)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

The Iberian GT is here, with one Portuguese round (Estoril; Algarve was cancelled). There isn't any Portuguese GT, at least from GT Sport folks. They do run the International GT Open, which mixes GT2 and GT3 classes.

The GT Sprint is run by the Superstars folks, and also allow GT2 and Gt3 cars.

There is a Portuguese GT (I go to the races

):
http://www.racingweekend.com.pt/
http://www.racingweekend.com.pt/index.php
Only available in Portuguese.
It may end though since they've been talking about merging with the Spanish GT championship to make it a real Iberian GT championship.

Most of the teams also run in the Spanish GT championships (also called IberGT).
As you mentioned GT sport also manages International GT Open.

Speed-King · 30 Aug 2011, 20:46 (Ref:2948571)

Quote:

Nordic Supercar

I don't think that series exists anymore, but there is the Swedish Racing League, which has a GT3-class in it. Not a lot of cars in it, but rather high profile teams with West Coast Racing and an Audi team that seems somehow affiliated to Phoenix.

NaBUru38 · 2 Sep 2011, 14:22 (Ref:2949905)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewF31

There is a Portuguese GT (I go to the races

):
http://www.racingweekend.com.pt/

D'oh! I got caught by the name, which is Iberian Supercars Trophy.

AndrewF31 · 2 Sep 2011, 14:57 (Ref:2949920)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

D'oh! I got caught by the name, which is Iberian Supercars Trophy.

Hehe,

Iberian Supercars Trophy is some events from the Spanish GT and Portuguese GT championships that combined into a trophy. The so called attempt at having an Iberian GT championship.

Somehow GT Sport wrongly calls their championship Iber GT, only because they go to 1 Portuguese circuit (it should have been 2 but they moved from Portimão to Catalunya a few weeks ago).

DS" · 2 Sep 2011, 17:29 (Ref:2949990)

A GT World Final is a nice idea, but why does Ratel want to have another of his brain farts by going to an "exotic" place? He should go somewhere, where he can draw decent crowds. Like Donington, Nürburgring or Zolder.

NaBUru38 · 5 Sep 2011, 13:37 (Ref:2951184)

He wants to collect money, that's why. If a crazy government wants to pay him to draw dozens of high-performance sports cars to run a race, he will gladly accept. His work is to convince crazy governments to do that.

Tim the Grey · 6 Sep 2011, 15:54 (Ref:2951725)

Nassau GP, anyone???

Whilst there, drivers can do Face-to-Face deals with their Financial Advisors...

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