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Old 16 Jun 2017, 23:54 (Ref:3742381)   #126
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Not a chance that the GT program ends. Just none whatsoever. I don't know if for fact but the way they talk about the 911, there is a specific interview that I cannot find right now, but 911 GT is the heart of Porsche essentially whereas LMP1 is simply an act of technical expression ( so ultimately expendable)
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Old 17 Jun 2017, 00:18 (Ref:3742386)   #127
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I do think that if anything, Porsche and Toyota might be out of the WEC, for if no other reason at least than to develop the 2020 cars.

If that's the case, it might be barren for factory teams until the new rules go into effect. It doesn't make sense for someone to come in during a transition period unless they're desperate to win LM or can do it on the cheap.
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Old 17 Jun 2017, 01:17 (Ref:3742391)   #128
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As written above, someone I know (and trust) from Porsche WEC told me the same.
wow that is grim...
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 17:41 (Ref:3744909)   #129
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Noting the great difference that exists between this mega event, 24 hours of Le Mans and the rest of WEC races and how unimportant the rest of the races are for the brands and for the fans.
I wonder if instead of a calendar of 9 races (8 + Le Mans), Maybe should be better a schedule of 4 or 5 races of 24 hours. (Le Mans + 3 or 4 races of 24 hours) and go change year by year the headquarters of these 24-hour races. And the denomination of each event could be challenge Le mans 24 hours of autumn, challenge Le mans 24 hours of spring, challenge Le mans 24 hours of winter, Le Mans rematch all of that race on different circuits every year.
These types of events would be more autonomous than the current 6-hour races.
Also they would serve as a true test for brands, much better than the 30-hour test they did alone before this race.
I remember that the 12 hours of Sebring was a fabulous test for Audi and also was a more important event than the current WEC races of 6 hours.
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 17:47 (Ref:3744912)   #130
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There's zero chance of another over 12 hour event in the WEC with the ACO involved. I'm sure they want to be the crown jewel of the series and only 24 hour race. I could see them push for a 12 hour but I'm sure the LMP2 and GTE-Am guys aren't so sure about it. I think we'd see a round dropped more than rounds extended.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 03:15 (Ref:3745051)   #131
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There's zero chance of another over 12 hour event in the WEC with the ACO involved. I'm sure they want to be the crown jewel of the series and only 24 hour race. I could see them push for a 12 hour but I'm sure the LMP2 and GTE-Am guys aren't so sure about it. I think we'd see a round dropped more than rounds extended.
That is why I take the trouble to clarify that each event must have the Le Mans header, so that the ACO does not lose the autonomy of the main event.
Also clarify that every year should be changed the circuits so that none track takes more importance than Le mans.
The same circuit can be repeated in at least 2 or 3 years.

By way of example this could be a 3 years calendar:


2018
24-25/2 Le Mans winter Challenge 24 hours of COTA
14-15/4 Le Mans spring Challenge 24 hours of silverstone
16-17/6 24 Hours of Le Mans
25-26/8 Le Mans summer Challenge 24 hours of Nurburgring
3-4 /11 Le Mans autumn Challenge 24 hours of Fuji

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23-24/2 Le Mans winter Challenge 24 hours of Kuwait
13-14/4 Le Mans spring Challenge 24 hours of Spa
15-16/6 24 Hours of Le Mans
24-25/8 Le Mans summer Challenge 24 hours of Indianapolis
2-3 /11 Le Mans autumn Challenge 24 hours of shangai

2020
22-23/2 Le Mans winter Challenge 24 hours of Mexico
11-12/4 Le Mans spring Challenge 24 hours of Monza
13-14/6 24 Hours of Le Mans
22-23/8 Le Mans summer Challenge 24 hours of Suzuka
7-8 /11 Le Mans autumn Challenge 24 hours of Bahrein

Just in 2021 you could start repeating some circuit.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 03:45 (Ref:3745057)   #132
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that's an interesting point of view. If WEC calendar have races of 8 or 12 hours, from the technical side, it would benefit car's design. Manufacturers today have two targets, 24hs of Le Mans and the championship. The cars seems to be designed for the entire championship (all 6 hours races) with Le Mans in mind. With longer races the cars should be more reliable, because of the stress of longer races thought the championship, it should alter the design.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 05:31 (Ref:3745069)   #133
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Just by extending the length does not make an event an instant classic.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 05:41 (Ref:3745072)   #134
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I believe some of the race lengths should increase whilst the number of rounds should be reduced by two, I think we all agree that a race in Bahrain or China doesn't do much for anyone no matter how much they keep peddling the idea that they are important for the manufacturers, nobody turns up anyway! To go from doing 6h races regularly to the Le Mans 24h is quite a jump, maybe make Spa a 10 hour race and the same for Fuji later in the year
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 06:34 (Ref:3745081)   #135
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That's almost double the racing hours for a season. Expensive.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 11:35 (Ref:3745174)   #136
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That's almost double the racing hours for a season. Expensive.
The racing hours are NOT the great expense in racing. They are testing for as many or more hours that that at their own expense.
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The racing hours are NOT the great expense in racing. They are testing for as many or more hours that that at their own expense.
Right!!! This type of races would replace the several days of 30 hours of tests done by the brands. And besides we all know that there is no better test than the same race.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 12:28 (Ref:3745194)   #138
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I think Le Mans shows that GTE does deserve a higher profile. IMSA gives GTLM the respect it deserves and it is treated as a joint co-premier category along with DPI.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 15:38 (Ref:3745242)   #139
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The racing hours are NOT the great expense in racing. They are testing for as many or more hours that that at their own expense.
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The privateers?
Some of them are testing more than you would think, they still need the data as well. And running Ams only at race events is no where near enough time to get them situated. And those who can't afford it should prob stay in the national series, that's what they are there for I believe??
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Some of them are testing more than you would think, they still need the data as well. And running Ams only at race events is no where near enough time to get them situated. And those who can't afford it should prob stay in the national series, that's what they are there for I believe??
So what kind of a budget would we be talking about in this 24h series?
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I'm sure they discussed on MWM that an LMP2 team budget is £3-4m a year for ELMS, and an extra million for WEC.
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F1 2018 calendar was released early. The traditional June 16-17 spot is empty, but one week after that there's French GP at Paul Ricard.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...r-2018-920468/
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F1 2018 calendar was released early. The traditional June 16-17 spot is empty, but one week after that there's French GP at Paul Ricard.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...r-2018-920468/
Odd timing. Or is it?
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Odd timing. Or is it?
I don't see anything intentional here (if Bernie was still in control, it would probably be a week earlier...). For as long as F1 teams insist on the 3-week August break there aren't that many possibilities. Spectator wise Le Mans will get the usual quarter million visitors no matter what, the GP looks much less certain considering it a new track for F1. The circuits aren't right next to each other but if anything this should hurt the GP attendance.
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Not a new circuit, but F1 hasn't been to Paul Ricard for a race in over 25 years and after (ironically) Bernie Eccostone bought Paul Ricard, it was reconfigured into what it is now.
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Perhaps it might also make it easier for certain F1 drivers (Hulkenberg? Alonso?) to participate in the 24H next year???
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F1 2018 calendar was released early. The traditional June 16-17 spot is empty,
Le Mans 24h confirmed for June 16-17 at the same FIA Council Meeting http://www.fia.com/news/fia-announce...il-decisions-6
They said they'd release the calendar at a later date and the next meeting is September 21st.
Also Formula E has only one race in June, the weekend between pre-Le Mans test and Le Mans week like this year.
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WEC and FE have agreed to not have clashes in future, and WEC and F1 have agreed to not have a clash with Le Mans and generally not have races in the same country at the same time.

https://www.motorsport.com/formula-e...n-2018-921432/
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***Head of Porsche Motorsport Dr. Frank-Steffen Walliser expects that the proposal for GTE qualifying races to be approved for next year. Walliser told Sportscar365 that there’s been “very positive” discussions between manufacturers on the concept. “We have to work on the final things: how many points you will get, and if it’s only grid position or points, because then the motivation is higher. How you handle the tires, how is the parc ferme, what you do if you crash the car, there’s a lot to be figured out. The experts are working on it, but the proposal that we have now is fine.”
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