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Old 3 Apr 2017, 04:45 (Ref:3723416)   #1
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Going through my daily tender alerts and this one popped its head up again. Thought you might be interested in the alert :

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Location: New South Wales : Central West

Category: Engineering & Research & Technical Based Services : Engineering Consulting Services

Closing date: 02-05-2017
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Bathurst Regional Council wishes to invite expressions of interest, from organisations with suitably qualified professionals to carry out the design and documentation of a second motorsport circuit at Mount Panorama, Bathurst. In addition, the consultant will be required to prepare and lodge the development application for a Recreation Facility (Major). The development is likely to be State Significant development pursuant to SEPP (State & Regional Development).

The second circuit will be required to cater for both motor vehicle and motor cycle racing, and is to be fully accredited to Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) / Federation Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) approvals Project Delivery will be by Design Contract, via the Selective Tendering process.

Council will select up to 3 submissions received in response to this brief, which are considered worthy for further investigation. Those selected will be given an opportunity to tender on a fixed price Design and Documentation Contract.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 06:08 (Ref:3723423)   #2
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heres hoping they don't let Mark Skaife anywhere near the design table for that one...
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heres hoping they don't let Mark Skaife anywhere near the design table for that one...
hahahahahaha, based on Homebush ??
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And the point of building an FIA & FIM spec track, in the shadow of what will always be known as the "proper Bathurst track" is...?
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 20:03 (Ref:3723575)   #8
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And the point of building an FIA & FIM spec track, in the shadow of what will always be known as the "proper Bathurst track" is...?
"Maybe we'll get Moto GP!!! Dorna mentioned something about Phillip Island, but it shouldn't be a problem, it's only considered one of the best tracks and rider favourites on the calendar...."
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How incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would go to Bathurst and want their race on another generic cookie cutter racetrack, when one of the greatest tracks in the world is about 500 metres away !?!??!? It would never get used.
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The designs that they are showing on Speedcafe, look pretty boring- Scalextrix beginners set would probably be more exciting!
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there must be some logic behind the 2nd circuit. anyone know what it is?

Does it get around the rules regarding only so many races?

for $50 Mill you could buy all the properties and the current track would be permanent
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And there is the answer.

Why isn't that being looked into? Makes perfect sense. And could be the start of a regional technology hub, around motorsport activities.

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Interesting Designs.

http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/04/04/...hurst-circuit/

I may just download the tender documents just to have a look at the requirements for the Scope of Work for the design.
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That was exactly the very first thought that I had when I saw the article!!
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Does it get around the rules regarding only so many races?

for $50 Mill you could buy all the properties and the current track would be permanent
This old chestnut used to appear on slow news days in the Auto Fiction news office back in the eighties.

The purpose back then was to allow for more race meetings because the locals would not be inconvenienced by designing the proposed circuit so only a small part on the existing circuit would be used.

Most of the designs back then used Murray's Corner, Pit Straight and Hell Corner with the new part of the circuit starting halfway up Mountain Straight and rejoining the existing circuit on Conrod Straight.
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Surely all this money is better spent on building a track in NSW somewhere that doesn't already have a circuit?

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The main idea of the second circuit for a long time was to "bring the bikes back home"


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Could making the track permanent bring on other consequences, like requirements for run-off areas across the top etc...? (I've no idea, but i'd assume non-permanent circuits get some leeway on things like this)
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there must be some logic behind the 2nd circuit. anyone know what it is?

Does it get around the rules regarding only so many races?

for $50 Mill you could buy all the properties and the current track would be permanent
You could not by all the properties for $50 million.

The proposed second track has been in the wind for a long time and is tied up with the proposed development of a Velocity Park encompassing all things from manufacturers, specialist equipment/parts/fabricators/engineering for both 2 and 4 wheel sectors.
It will provide employment for people and the chance to get away from the ratrace to affordable living and an ideal place to bring up young children.

The Bathurst Regional Council has done a lot of work on the project for a number of years and sees the financial benefit it will bring to town as well as providing more avenues for carclubs etc. Distance is nothing in the country and with the ever improving roads is now only 2.5 hours from the big smoke.
Where would you prefer to go ..windy Wakefield or a venue with multiple track configurations including a possible 2nd hillclimb ?
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How incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would go to Bathurst and want their race on another generic cookie cutter racetrack, when one of the greatest tracks in the world is about 500 metres away !?!??!? It would never get used.
This is 100% right.As for the motorcycle angle I go to a lot of domestic motor cycle racing and the competitor base is not that strong compared to any past period and spectator support is nearly non existent. Combine that with a freezing climate for 5-6 months of the year where ice racing would be the only option and it makes less sense.
If NSW needs another circuit the one proposed north of Newcastle seems the best option.
And by the way Bathursts Moto GP fantasies are just that as the Victorian government has the race tied up for nearly the next 10 years.If NSW really wanted this event or any other international event short of F1 there already is a homologated circuit in the state.
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This is 100% right.As for the motorcycle angle I go to a lot of domestic motor cycle racing and the competitor base is not that strong compared to any past period and spectator support is nearly non existent. Combine that with a freezing climate for 5-6 months of the year where ice racing would be the only option and it makes less sense.
If NSW needs another circuit the one proposed north of Newcastle seems the best option.
And by the way Bathursts Moto GP fantasies are just that as the Victorian government has the race tied up for nearly the next 10 years.If NSW really wanted this event or any other international event short of F1 there already is a homologated circuit in the state.
We are of a similar vintage and I can assure you that Glenmore Park/Penrith is as cold if not colder than Bathurst- a jumper on first up on a crisp morning then down to shirt sleeves once the sun warms things up is the norm.
I'm not getting into the Moto GP stuff as I grew up on a diet of English bikes
around the circuit -what a great sound with that deep note particularly around the top of the Mountain and over Skyline. What memories!

The healthy bike fields at SMSP tell me that things aren't too bad and the non existent spectator is common to all forms of motor sport both 2 and 4 wheel.
I hope the new track and the associated Velocity Park come to fruition in the not too distant future whilst I am still young enough to enjoy them.
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We are of a similar vintage and I can assure you that Glenmore Park/Penrith is as cold if not colder than Bathurst- a jumper on first up on a crisp morning then down to shirt sleeves once the sun warms things up is the norm.
I'm not getting into the Moto GP stuff as I grew up on a diet of English bikes
around the circuit -what a great sound with that deep note particularly around the top of the Mountain and over Skyline. What memories!

The healthy bike fields at SMSP tell me that things aren't too bad and the non existent spectator is common to all forms of motor sport both 2 and 4 wheel.
I hope the new track and the associated Velocity Park come to fruition in the not too distant future whilst I am still young enough to enjoy them.
Check the temperatures in Bathurst this year April to September and you will see there is no comparison to western Sydney in these months.
Another issue is all the up market residential development that has occurred along the access road coming off the Cowra road.These people would be impacted by circuit noise as much as residents around Sandown.Cant see them accepting the development.
There were feasibility studies done the last time this was proposed and they showed it wasn't viable.
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.

Reviving Gnoo Blas would appeal greatly, but more seriously something around Tamworth/Armidale would probably be better placed.

I recall a high standard kart track being built near Coffs in the early(?) 90s, is it still going?

Could it sustain a car/bike circuit?
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.

Reviving Gnoo Blas would appeal greatly, but more seriously something around Tamworth/Armidale would probably be better placed.

I recall a high standard kart track being built near Coffs in the early(?) 90s, is it still going?

Could it sustain a car/bike circuit?
If you mean the kart track across the road from the airport it is still going but not enough land to build a race circuit.Toormina residential development has got a lot closer to it.It keeps coming up at Bathurst because local politicians think it is an easy vote winner in council,and even state,elections.
The circuit near Port Stephens is the best option for a regional circuit based on the large population base from the Central Coast up and that someone owns the land and they want to build a race track.
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I don't know why this keeps happening at Bathurst when there are better regional options.
Because Bathurst regional council is pushing for the track and want it as it will increase growth in the town.

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How incredibly stupid. Who in their right mind would go to Bathurst and want their race on another generic cookie cutter racetrack, when one of the greatest tracks in the world is about 500 metres away !?!??!? It would never get used.
Try and get a booking at Wakefield Park or Easter Creek. The tracks are fully booked all year so the addition of another track will be beneficial for not only motorsport but manufacturers, driver training and even TV/movie production.

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And there is the answer.

Why isn't that being looked into? Makes perfect sense. And could be the start of a regional technology hub, around motorsport activities.

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It will cost you a lot more than $50mil to buy all the houses. There would still be the noise issues for the other surrounding houses. This ne wtrack will be built on the back side of the existing circuit so the noise won't head towards town.
There will be land allocated for a business hub on the site.

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These were basic drawings done by council to give an indication of the location of the tracks, hence the tender for track designs.
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This new track will be built on the back side of the existing circuit so the noise won't head towards town.
Mate, if noise is a problem with the current circuit, it's going to be a problem with the new one.

It's like we never learnt the lessons from Oran Park etc - build out of town, not within 5 minutes of the bloody CBD
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Mate, if noise is a problem with the current circuit, it's going to be a problem with the new one.

It's like we never learnt the lessons from Oran Park etc - build out of town, not within 5 minutes of the bloody CBD
There is a great big hill, otherwise known as Mount Panorama between the new track and town. That should stop most of the noise travelling towards town.
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