Lister - the end?

isynge · 21 Nov 2007, 13:31 (Ref:2072472)

Given that Lister's Pescarolo chassis is now up for sale can we assume that Lister's reached the end of the road?

If so, very sad to see end of what was always an interesting and quirky project - the sort of thing that makes sportscars so worthwhile.

So - time for some Lister reminiscences? And ideas of where the chassis (plus all the intellectual property Laurence Pearce had managed to put in) might end up?

The359 · 21 Nov 2007, 13:48 (Ref:2072490)

Well that's a shame, although a little part of me isn't surprised.

I at least assumed they'd get the car finished and into a few races.

I wonder if Kruse might want in on this if Pescarolo isn't building another car for them.

SALEEN S7R · 21 Nov 2007, 15:55 (Ref:2072561)

I woudnt count on Lister being out just yet if I were you. As direct linking to other forums isnt allowed here on ten-tenths I cant link you to exactly where the information im talking about is but if you go to listercars.co.uk and enter the forum there is information there from Lister personnal about the possibilty of converting the car to a LMP2 specifcation.

Lets hope Laurence Pearce has something up his sleeve, if at all possible I think we will see the Lister out in the LMS next year, although probably in LMP2 specifcation rather than LMP1.

ThePenguin · 21 Nov 2007, 15:58 (Ref:2072566)

Maybe they have decided to run a different chassis, but I really hope they aren't out.

Fogelhund · 21 Nov 2007, 16:04 (Ref:2072570)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

I woudnt count on Lister being out just yet if I were you. As direct linking to other forums isnt allowed here on ten-tenths I cant link you to exactly where the information im talking about is but if you go to listercars.co.uk and enter the forum there is information there from Lister personnal about the possibilty of converting the car to a LMP2 specifcation.

Lets hope Laurence Pearce has something up his sleeve, if at all possible I think we will see the Lister out in the LMS next year, although probably in LMP2 specifcation rather than LMP1.

Do the math....

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Posted - 11/13/2007 : 09:49:25
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There is no progress at the moment as the sponsor pulled out. We are considering the options and the possibilities of the LMP1 being converted to LMP2 specification

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Posted 11/21/2007 - DSC
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For Sale, 2007 Pescarolo LMP1 / LMP2 Project
The Lister Chassis

Available now.

Contact Laurence Pearce

The options were considered, and eight days later they have decided to put the car up for sale.

**Bentley03** · 21 Nov 2007, 16:07 (Ref:2072572)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

I woudnt count on Lister being out just yet if I were you. As direct linking to other forums isnt allowed here on ten-tenths I cant link you to exactly where the information im talking about is but if you go to listercars.co.uk and enter the forum there is information there from Lister personnal about the possibilty of converting the car to a LMP2 specifcation.

Lets hope Laurence Pearce has something up his sleeve, if at all possible I think we will see the Lister out in the LMS next year, although probably in LMP2 specifcation rather than LMP1.

That's not my interpretation at all. The sponsor pulled out and the entire project, including the tub (which could have been used for an LMP2), is up for sale.

SALEEN S7R · 21 Nov 2007, 16:07 (Ref:2072573)

Hmm didnt realise the car was up for sale. Thats unfortunate, still perhaps they will buy something else like a Lola or Radical?

ThePenguin · 21 Nov 2007, 16:09 (Ref:2072575)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Hmm didnt realise the car was up for sale. Thats unfortunate, still perhaps they will buy something else like a Lola or Radical?

I can easily see them in a Lola, but not a Radical.

Fogelhund · 21 Nov 2007, 16:17 (Ref:2072579)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Hmm didnt realise the car was up for sale. Thats unfortunate, still perhaps they will buy something else like a Lola or Radical?

They have lost all their sponsorship money, and as a result are forced into selling a chassis that they already have, yet you hypothesize they might go out and drop several hundred thousand on a new chassis? Please explain why this makes any sense at all?

SALEEN S7R · 21 Nov 2007, 16:35 (Ref:2072596)

Did it ever occur to you Fogelhund that Lister might actually have new plans for 2008? As Lister personnal said on their own forum earlier in the year it isnt really possible to win in LMP1 anymore unless you are a factory entry, preferably with a diesel engine. With that in mind the team said they are exploring the possibilites of converting the Pescarolo into LMP2 specifcation, now it isnt beyond the bounds of possibilty that Lister have been talking to the likes of Lola and Zytek and have found that they can buy a competitive customer chassis and save some money by selling the Pescarolo.

From everything I have read Listers focus seems to be switching more to LMP2 these days than LMP1. Why bother spending yet more money trying to develop a Pescarolo when you can probably buy a Lola or Zytek which will probably be more competitve and for less money? By selling the Pescarolo it gives the team some more cash to play with.

**Bentley03** · 21 Nov 2007, 17:02 (Ref:2072621)

I suspect a Lola or a Zytek would in fact be more expensive.

Fogelhund · 21 Nov 2007, 17:26 (Ref:2072643)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Did it ever occur to you Fogelhund that Lister might actually have new plans for 2008? As Lister personnal said on their own forum earlier in the year it isnt really possible to win in LMP1 anymore unless you are a factory entry, preferably with a diesel engine. With that in mind the team said they are exploring the possibilites of converting the Pescarolo into LMP2 specifcation, now it isnt beyond the bounds of possibilty that Lister have been talking to the likes of Lola and Zytek and have found that they can buy a competitive customer chassis and save some money by selling the Pescarolo.

From everything I have read Listers focus seems to be switching more to LMP2 these days than LMP1. Why bother spending yet more money trying to develop a Pescarolo when you can probably buy a Lola or Zytek which will probably be more competitve and for less money? By selling the Pescarolo it gives the team some more cash to play with.

While Lister may have certain desires, what you are suggesting still makes no sense. A used Pescarolo, which was much cheaper than a Lola/Zytek to begin with, isn't going to yield a great deal of money. In addition, they have no other funds (sponsor gone, mentioned above previously) to currently do anything with.

Whether competitive, or not competitive, if you have no money, and look to sell one asset, you cannot purchase a more expensive asset afterwards...

The Badger · 21 Nov 2007, 19:16 (Ref:2072699)

Shame really ..... but im not surprised however .

Hopefully take a few years off and come out fighting again .

Its a shame to see something like this happen to a decent team .

Subaru_WRX_STi · 21 Nov 2007, 19:42 (Ref:2072731)

what a shame for a great team, with the Storm they done very well in FIA GT, against the all conquering Viper GTS-R and later against the Prodrive 550, now in LMP competition, they are strugling a lot ! They should return to GTs

The Badger · 21 Nov 2007, 19:45 (Ref:2072733)

But with what ?

Dont they have homologation issues with their car ?

I seem to remember hearing about a possible return to GT racing for 2007 , but that petered out too !!!

Subaru_WRX_STi · 21 Nov 2007, 19:58 (Ref:2072748)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

But with what ?

Dont they have homologation issues with their car ?

I seem to remember hearing about a possible return to GT racing for 2007 , but that petered out too !!!

the factory team hasen't planed to return to FIA competition, for 2007, it was planed that the Lister Storm GTS could run in the "Citation Cup" a GT1 trophy for gentlemen drivers, along with some old GT1 as the 550, Viper GTS-R !

Splendid Cat · 21 Nov 2007, 21:00 (Ref:2072818)

Buy a Saleen perhaps, maybe a C6?? Who knows...Whatever, I hope LP returns - outspoken - yes, but what a fabulous tactician with the V12 Storm in FIA GT. And a real colourful character.

**FIRE** · 21 Nov 2007, 21:22 (Ref:2072845)

Maybe it's better for them to step down the ladder a bit and enter 1 or 2 Jaguar GT3s in British GT or FIA GT3. The last few years weren't very good for the image of Lister.

**Bentley03** · 22 Nov 2007, 00:36 (Ref:2073053)

I do find this all very sad. Laurence is very much part of the furniture in sportscar racing. Hopefully, he'll be back, I've got everything crossed!

As far as the Listerolo is concerned, I wonder if a certain (popular) Dutch team might be interested in the chassis?

Tim the Grey · 22 Nov 2007, 00:49 (Ref:2073061)

I like the idea of Lister Jaguars... It kind of rings a bell from somewhere. I wonder why???

Fogelhund · 22 Nov 2007, 02:24 (Ref:2073116)

There was discussion about a Lister GT1..

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...ghlight=Lister

The359 · 22 Nov 2007, 03:29 (Ref:2073145)

I remember that news, seemed like an odd announcement considering we never saw anything come of it. I recall Panoz also announcing the GT1 Abruzzi which has yet to appear.

**Bentley03** · 22 Nov 2007, 17:31 (Ref:2073660)

For the record.......

A reliable source has told me today, that sadly, it's the end of the road for Lister Storm Racing, the team will not race again.

Very sad news, it truly feels like the end of an era!

Hugewally · 22 Nov 2007, 17:44 (Ref:2073669)

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Originally Posted by The359

I recall Panoz also announcing the GT1 Abruzzi which has yet to appear.

Do a google search on that and see what you get... Its been what, four years since Dr P blurted it out at Laguna? Has there been any mention of the car anywhere but in speculation? No spy shots, no updates, no talk about things to come, etc... Somehoe, I just don't think it'll ever happen - because IMO the project never started...

The Badger · 22 Nov 2007, 18:01 (Ref:2073679)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

For the record.......

A reliable source has told me today, that sadly, it's the end of the road for Lister Storm Racing, the team will not race again.

Very sad news, it truly feels like the end of an era!

Again Mr.Bentley , im not surprised but it is sad to see Lister Racing finish their days like this .

Maybe , possibily sometime in the future they might try again ?

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