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Old 19 Dec 2011, 18:41   #76
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Old 20 Dec 2011, 08:14   #77
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What about doing something like this with Red Bull?



That's it folks, world's fastest Jšgerbomb...
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They wouldn't have to do that because DTM lets teams run each of their cars in A different livery, unlike F1 which kicked up a fuss when BAR came in with one 555 livieried car (would love to have seen Colin McRae in that!) and a Lucky Strike car. I like DTM (and pretty much evryone else) because they are so much liberal than F1.
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If I had to pick a fourth brand, I'd go for Cadillac. But they are investing a lot in SCCA World Challenge now.
Whatever they're spending, it will be absolute peanuts compared to a DTM program, which takes us back to why this US DTM series has all the makings of a repeat of the US Super Touring series.

Audi NA won't dip into their pockets for a pair of ALMS P1's, yet they're expected to fund six DTM cars, same for BMW, and Mercedes, and whoever else.............
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Whatever they're spending, it will be absolute peanuts compared to a DTM program, which takes us back to why this US DTM series has all the makings of a repeat of the US Super Touring series.

Audi NA won't dip into their pockets for a pair of ALMS P1's, yet they're expected to fund six DTM cars, same for BMW, and Mercedes, and whoever else.............
I think that is the deal I've been questioning about this American DTM, where does the money come from?

DTM costs manufacturers around $30 million each or more in Germany, so will Mercedes USA or Audi USA spend 10, 20, 30 million bucks a season? Maybe, maybe not, but it's probably a question people need to be asking.
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If chrysler chose to join the DTM USA championship then they might be inclined to run a Lancia in the 'European' DTM because I'm pretty sure Chrysler own Lancia. It would be an incredibly costly operation and which car would they use?
I thought the Italians owned the brand formerly owned by the Germans?
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I think that is the deal I've been questioning about this American DTM, where does the money come from?

DTM costs manufacturers around $30 million each or more in Germany, so will Mercedes USA or Audi USA spend 10, 20, 30 million bucks a season? Maybe, maybe not, but it's probably a question people need to be asking.
Something like $10 mio would easily be enough to run 5 or 6 one year old cars without any sponsorship if they don't go overboard with hospitatlity.
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Something like $10 mio would easily be enough to run 5 or 6 one year old cars without any sponsorship if they don't go overboard with hospitatlity.
Yup - the bad part are the developement budgets and those are already spend in the mother series.
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I think that if they want a sucssesful series they should open up the regs to anything PRE-2002. Return of the Opel's, old shape C-Class Merc/ CLK and mp personal favourite: ABT Audi TT-R DTM!
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I think that if they want a sucssesful series they should open up the regs to anything PRE-2002. Return of the Opel's, old shape C-Class Merc/ CLK and mp personal favourite: ABT Audi TT-R DTM!
No way, you can't launch a new series with old machinery, the FIA GT1 has shown that.
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Not even just for proper privateers on a kind of Jon Field level? Maybe if they say to works squads you have to do the same as in DTM (maximum age one or two year old), but for the first two years give maybe a 4-6 year max age to US privateers so the US fans get some names they may have heard of, because I doubt they could really advertise someone like say Mattias Ekstrom, because I can't imagine he is big in mainstream America.

I hope they do it during winter because then maybe you might get Kristensen, McNish and other Le Mans drivers over!
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Something like $10 mio would easily be enough to run 5 or 6 one year old cars without any sponsorship if they don't go overboard with hospitatlity.
Easy to say, but so far I haven't seen any of those manufacturers budge. For this series to happen things need to start rolling this year and for it to be success, manufacturers are going to have to open up the wallet with big money.

We already have ALMS, Grand AM and a plethora of semi pro touring car type series. So you just can't start up something called Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters USA and then expect people to flood through the gates. It's going to take a lot of promotion and factory support to pull this off. Once that happens I'll be more confident this will be a success or even happen to start with.
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Adam, Grand-Am already has a championship for touring cars, it's the Conti Challenge. Races are longer than in DTM and there are two drivers per car, but still. The point of bringing the DTM to the United States is to go full pro.
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I doubt they could really advertise someone like say Mattias Ekstrom, because I can't imagine he is big in mainstream America.
Hasn't Mathias done a few Nascar-races 1 or 2 years ago? I can remember that he was critisised for not concentrating enough on his DTM-season.
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Hasn't Mathias done a few Nascar-races 1 or 2 years ago? I can remember that he was critisised for not concentrating enough on his DTM-season.
He starred at the Glen (I think) in 2010. Top 10 till getting caught in an accident or something. Impressed a lot of people I thought.
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