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Old 10 Jun 2006, 12:28   #1
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Where are all the Super Coupe's

With the debate raging about saloon car regs on here, the number of ex Super Coupe Cup cars still around would provide a ready made class/ challenge/ sub.series call it what you will.
On the forum recently we have Colin Stubbs, Matt Speakman, Mark Bailey, myself and probably lots of others that I wouldn't know of.
From what I've heard it was a great championship to be involved with so whether it's a commitment to run in pre '93 or even several of the open racedays, I'm sure we'd have a ball.
I've always run on slicks and wouldn't know a 1a or 1b tyre if it ran over my foot but from a cost perspective they do seem the way to go.
So who's got a Super Coupe???

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A few gravitated to the LMA Euro Saloons, some are now regulars, some just come out at their local tracks

The thing is, the Super Coupe series demised despite having a sponsor, just to low numbers, not sufficient to continue? Why would things now have changed?
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Some of the Vectra's and the Vento's went to Britcar/Production S1, the Ronnie 5's probably all dissolved (like the TS's before them!), dunno where the Polo G40's went, who cares where the Proton's went, and the CRX's are spread far and wide in many different forms.

Since EuroSaloons was born of AutoItalia, Road Saloons, and SuperCoupe Cup all thrown into one hat, you'd think they'd all still be there.
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Judging by he field of cars in the CSCC tin tops at Donington last week, a lot of them have ended up there. A couple of Protons, Alfas, CRX etc. Shame, it was a good series,
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Just wondering, the last LMA round that I went to only had a Tomcat, 2 Protons and a 216 that seemed to be ex Super Coupe and I've not seen the Tin Tops yet.
Hi nyssa7, I don't think things have really changed, It's just that with Matt Speakman and Mark Bailey seemingly leaving the series due to increasing entry fees and people buying the front of the grid (and I'm sure they wern't alone), the type of cost control (tyres) imposed by a series such as the pre '93s would make it ideal. With Colin Stubbs having mentioned these as well it didn't seem a bad idea to try and highlight the fact that 4 people with the same class cars have thought about running together and a few more would make it quite interesting. I don't mind where I race, but I'd love to be out with some other 216's, CRX's, Tomcats etc. whether it be in LMA's, Pre '93s or Tin Tops and I'm sure plenty of people with old Super Coupe's feel the same.

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its such a minefield of different regulations for each championship isnt it. i have raced in toyos, lma and tintops.cant make my mind up what to do... rachael finney races a gti in northern saloons but its way off the original regs with plastic panels and perspex,but it goes well. theres a couple of tomcats there too. also 2 tomcats in toyo and lma so there spread round all over the place. also heard about a 216gti converted to a 214sei for stock hatch.mines way too hard for road tyres but iv really enjoyed toyo-a really nice bunch of guys from what iv seen,has a 1600cc class but it lacks numbers.tintops are well run and last season put some good cheap races on,also has a 1600 cpass but unless you share a car its pretty expensive,although with no over 2litre cars you dont get lapped so often[took me ages cleaning the oil off it last year from a quick mk2 escort rally car though!].speed differentials in lma are a worry with the touring cars.but if they gained enough entries im sure the races would be split. no 1600 class though.......pre 93 should be good if enough cars of the correct sort of age are running,but no cadwell races for ctrcc this year so not good for me!
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The pre 93's do look a good bet, what sort of 1a or 1b tyres have you run on the 216, I've only ever tried used Michelin slicks on mine and as you said they do really hang on but it would be interesting to try others as a comparison, new ones would be a real novelty though!
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Any from 1a or 1b, regs here http://www.classictouringcars.com/pa....1%20Draft.pdf

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216GTI, you mention the words 'buying the front of the grid', what are you talking about, LMA ?.

If you are I strongly disagree, our Honda cost us less to buy and run than a lot of the cars running in our own class and the other classes.
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It's just that with Matt Speakman and Mark Bailey seemingly leaving the series due to increasing entry fees and people buying the front of the grid (and I'm sure they wern't alone.
Just to clarify, I left the series to join Clio Cup - if anyone saw Oulton Park last year & remembers a green car going off twice that was me! Other drivers went into Britcar/Seat Cupra Cup/Clio Cup/MG Trophy - perhaps people wanted a fresh challenge?

Most Rover 216Gti are in Wales? Most Honda CRX in 750mc or sat idle? Tomcats are in regional stuff/LMA? Ventos went to VW Cup/regional stuff, vectras cost the earth to run (Gearbox), btc production cars went to britcar & most Protons went are sat idle....though a couple are in tin-tops. Basically, there's a lot of cars doing nothing!

Seriously though, Super Coupe race entry fees weren't increasing anymore than any other BRSCC championship, Championship entry was only 260 (with tv), & people weren't buying the front of the grid...there were simply drivers with different race pace! Tony Liddell's departure as Co-ordinator was a great shame as the chap that took over had it lumped on him rather late in 2004. It was Tony (& Mavis') baby, I guess when they retired the 'mum & dad' of us all had gone!!

I see Pre-93 doesn't run on slicks...hmm.....!!!!! What do Tin-tops run on?
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hi 216 im getting confused which thread im on. have a look on the other saloon series one!! ps whats that word new? never heard of that one!!!!
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I'm trying to get a quote from a different thread into the reply for this one and can't quite work it out. Done it wrong twice now!
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Thanks for that Al. Avro and Matt, reply is on the other thread but along the lines of, wasn't having a go at LMA's or anyone else and sorry if I misrepresented what you had said Matt, but thought you had agreed with Mark Bailey when he said that his reasons for leaving were increasing fee's and the fact that with tyres at £500 per set some people were using 2 sets per weekend, which formed the basis of the "buying the front of the grid " comment. Didn't mean to upset anyone, just didn't explain myself properly.
Only wanted some more 216's to play with!!
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Thanks for that Al. Avro and Matt, reply is on the other thread but along the lines of, wasn't having a go at LMA's or anyone else and sorry if I misrepresented what you had said Matt, but thought you had agreed with Mark Bailey when he said that his reasons for leaving were increasing fee's and the fact that with tyres at 500 per set some people were using 2 sets per weekend, which formed the basis of the "buying the front of the grid " comment. Didn't mean to upset anyone, just didn't explain myself properly.
Only wanted some more 216's to play with!!
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Don't remember anyone buying 2 sets per weekend - not even the Byfords with their Protons! I, Dean Clements, & Marting Young (all Gti runners) were buying 2 new slicks per meeting - 270ish if my memory's correct. Perhaps there's been a few too many chinese whispers as to how much money was being spent!? If people were buying 2 sets per meeting that's instantly 11k spent before everything else...equating to an overall budget of nearly 25k!!! To be fair, we did spend 14k in 2004 - which includes hotels (hate camping!), food, getting to & from circuits, entry fees, & all bits associated with running the car, where as in in 2003 we only spent 5k. Compare that to last year with the Clio - 3 toca meetings in total - 15k...that's right, 5k per meeting to run a Clio - OUCH!

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Now, moving on, only ever run slicks, what's a 1a/1b tyre?
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