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28 Jan 2012, 07:43
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Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Its simple. A couple of years ago, the production cars were the headline act at the B12, there was a genuine opportunity for them to win or place well in the race, to get some teev airtime (albeit mostly via live streaming) and it was relatively easy to justify the investment to build, prepare & run a car for the B12.
When the GT class' introduction occurred, the production fellows were rendered mere class competitors. No guarantee of coverage, almost no chance of outright result. So why would a car owner like Rod Salmon for example, throw a couple of hundred thousand at TMR to run an Evo Lancer when the chances of outright success are between none and zero?
Lets not forget that most cars in either the GT's or Production car series are funding these gigs out of their own pockets. If they cant see that an investment from their own (or their business') pockets as valuable and worthy, given the product on offer, then it just isnt going to happen.
Pick on the production car blokes all you like, but its their money being spent.. and their call as to whether they do so or not, based on the competitiveness of the class they enter..
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Agree completely.
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Originally Posted by ff s conscience
When it was just proddies, you got minimal tv, and maybe live streaming...
now with GTs, you get a better coverage/exposure.
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In 2010, the 12hr was streamed live and had a 3hr post produced TV program on Channel 7.
In 2011, the 12hr was streamed live and had a 3hr post produced TV program on ONE.
In 2012 the race is getting live coverage on the Australian version of Speed channel...but of course that channel wasn't around in 2010.
So there is little difference in the TV package then and now
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28 Jan 2012, 09:25
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#752
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So who here actually subscribes to Speed? I dont myself.
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28 Jan 2012, 10:38
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#753
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ive got speed, will be watching the daytona live tommorow morning.
meanwhile....johndagysJohn Dagys
by Bathurst12hour
Just spoke with @MaxPapis. Said he is still working on plans to compete in @Bathurst12Hour, hopes to have more info soon!
17 hours ago
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28 Jan 2012, 12:22
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Originally Posted by rich07
So who here actually subscribes to Speed? I dont myself.
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Doesnt speed come with the basic foxtel package subscription? No need to subscribe to Speed specifically.
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28 Jan 2012, 16:38
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Conroy lancer and Nelson rx8 withdrawn, possibly Mosler as well.....and then there were 29
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28 Jan 2012, 20:45
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Originally Posted by Belly13
Conroy lancer and Nelson rx8 withdrawn, possibly Mosler as well.....and then there were 29
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wow that sux's!
Is there still any chance for late entries??
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28 Jan 2012, 22:24
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Originally Posted by KSM86
Just spoke with @MaxPapis. Said he is still working on plans to compete in @Bathurst12Hour, hopes to have more info soon!
17 hours ago
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Cross it if you've got it. Would be great to get papis here 
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28 Jan 2012, 22:35
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#758
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hmm also this partnership with creventic doesnt seem like it really worked! They really only managed to get one car in. Red Camel - Jordans.nl Seat Leon Super Copa 2
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28 Jan 2012, 22:49
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Originally Posted by KSM86
hmm also this partnership with creventic doesnt seem like it really worked! They really only managed to get one car in. Red Camel - Jordans.nl Seat Leon Super Copa 2
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When this car shows up on the big hill, we know it is here.. until then...
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28 Jan 2012, 23:02
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Originally Posted by GTRMagic
When this car shows up on the big hill, we know it is here.. until then...
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well yeah that is true.
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28 Jan 2012, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Belly13
Conroy lancer and Nelson rx8 withdrawn, possibly Mosler as well.....and then there were 29
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why the Mosler? Where's that news?
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29 Jan 2012, 00:37
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Originally Posted by D.R.T.
Doesnt speed come with the basic foxtel package subscription? No need to subscribe to Speed specifically.
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I believe it does in metropolitan areas, but unsure of the rest ?
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There is nothing more boring and childish than a biased V8 Supercar fan (BOGAN)
V8 Supertaxi's are not the be all and end all of Australian Motorsport.
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29 Jan 2012, 00:40
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Originally Posted by ff s conscience
why the Mosler? Where's that news?
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I'm gathering that some people believe that the withdrawel of Matthew White as a driver has put the cars entry in doubt.
Surely there are lots of raised hands .......... Max Papis come on down ?
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V8 Supertaxi's are not the be all and end all of Australian Motorsport.
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29 Jan 2012, 01:12
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Originally Posted by Reload
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I'm gathering that some people believe that the withdrawal of Matthew White as a driver has put the cars entry in doubt.
Surely there are lots of raised hands .......... Max Papis come on down ?
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If by Matthew you mean Damien, then you are correct. Once again a jump to a conclusion before a decision has been made!
Rod and Damien are and have been a great (winning) partnership but AFIK Rod's entry was not contingent on Damien having to be in one of the co-driver seats.
On another note, good to get word through that the SPEED US guys were chatting about the 12 Hour during the Rolex 24 call this morning Aussie time. I love Production Cars - but THAT wouldn't have happened if there weren't GT cars racing in the 12 Hour...
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29 Jan 2012, 01:22
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#765
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Originally Posted by Sheep Stations
Oh no...what has happened?...I'm in total agreement with FFC...
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gees, missed that!
See, you're almost cured!
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