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Old 9 Nov 2005, 16:47   #1
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Some things I've wondered about some of the great tracks that once graced F1. If I could have some answers/opinions I would appreciate it.

1. Why was the Kyalami track layout changed between 1985 and 1992? From what I've heard and seen, the original Kyalami was a great circuit.

2. Why did the Osterreichring disappear? Was it down to being unsafe or financial problems?

3. In either 1982 or 1983, can't remember the exact year, why did the US get 3 street races?

And a more recent one. In an F1 book I have, published in 2001 I think, it said that F1 was coming back to Brands Hatch in 2002. Was this going to happen or was it most likely a rumour that they decided to print?

If any of this has been discussed in another thread, could you guide me to it please?
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F1 was never really going back to Brands Hatch - it was being used as a bargaining chip with Silverstone.
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Was there a rumour going around at that time? I don't see any other reason for a book to include a comment like that. It said 'F1 is coming home' as Brands Hatch was set to host a Grand Prix in 2002, presumably instead of Silverstone.
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It never got as far as being on the calendar - and the discussions were a couple of years earlier than that.

I suspect the book's been shoddy with its research
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Fair enough. It would be good to see F1 back at Brands Hatch though. What about my other queries?
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Austria was dropped after the 1987 race when there were three separate starts due to pile ups.

It was felt to be getting a bit fast and narrow for the turbo cars, although surrounding infrastructure issues may have played a part.
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I know about that (the pile-ups), but wouldn't a solution have been to simply widen the straight? It would have been far better to modify the track so it had a suitable width, and improve the safety of the track, without turning it into the A1-Ring, which may have produced good racing but was an insult to the old Osterreichring. It's a shame that the old track doesn't even exist now.
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It's a real pity. Osterreichring was great, and the A1 GP (Bah Dum Chh) circuit was rubbish. Mostly, I was the Nordschliefe
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Nintendo - I note from your profile you were born two years after the Osterreichring last hosted a Grand Prix.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking everything before your time was marvellous and everything you can remember is rubbish.

There can be a romanticism of things we never experienced first hand.
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Well the Osterreichring was great, the A1 Ring was average. I've only watched one race at the track (not live obviously) and the circuit was amazingly quick.
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OK, i meant through replays
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I don't see Formula 1 to return to Bratch Hatch. The run-off areas are too small, and the track facilities even look more old fashion than Silverstone.
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As much as I would want Brands to host F1, it never will. There are really to many things to list.

Bernie wants F1 to be the best in the world and thus wants to be at the best tracks in the world with the best facilities in the world.

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Brands Hatch Lesuire PLC did get the contract to hold the British Grand Prix at Brands Hatch and planning permission was granted for the improvements for the circuit. BHL was then purchased by Interpublic under its Octagon brand. The plans were still on until Two Jags called the plans in and Octagon aquired Silverstone. From then on the Brands Hatch plans were dropped and all the Octagon money went to Silverstone and very little work was done at the other 4 venues within the group. The vast majority of the local residents were for the GP coming to Brands.
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As much as I would want Brands to host F1, it never will. There are really to many things to list.

Bernie wants F1 to be the best in the world and thus wants to be at the best tracks in the world with the best facilities in the world.

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Sometimes I think Bernie Ecclestone demands too much. New tracks like Sepang and Bahrein have fantastic facilities, but these tracks don't really have a character like Silverstone, Monza, Spa and Suzuka have.
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