Lola T212 HU-34

zapparacing · 23 Jan 2006, 04:49 (Ref:1507053)

Good day all. Just purchased HU-34 not long ago and was looking for some help with a few things.

1) Any information anyone might have on the car. I have original documentation, history, pictures, etc., but if anyone else has some please let me know.
2) Parts. I am in need of a black tinted lexan windscreen, the 3-ear knock-off spinners for the wheels, clear headlight lexan covers, and just spares in general. ANY help in this area will much appreciated. I used to deal w/ Chevron directly with my B-16 and haven’t the slightest idea with whom to deal w/ in regards to Lola's.
3) Any helpful hints, or insight that I should know about w/ 212's

I am aware of the possibility of HU-34"B" existing, but I can assure you with the documentation and history that I have, that this is #34.

I'm new to this site, so any you may give me will be much appreciated.

-Mike Zappa

jkeller · 23 Jan 2006, 08:29 (Ref:1507090)

Mike, I have some information about HU-34
Send me an e-mail at jim_keller@telus.net

Jim Keller

allenbrown · 23 Jan 2006, 11:51 (Ref:1507234)

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapparacing

I can assure you with the documentation and history that I have, that this is #34.

Please don't take this th wtrong way but some of us hear the "I can assure you" line all the time and they can't all be right. Can you summarise the history of your car?

Allen

zapparacing · 23 Jan 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1507411)

I'm away from my office right now but I can tell you the following history of the car as I understand and have records:
Car originally sold to Carl Haas in May 28, 1971 painted in orange livery.
Guy Edwards campaigned the car. (I believe)
*Tony Birchenhough (1972)*
I believe it was sold to Dorsett Racing then in 1972/1973.
The car sold to J. Busby and raced in vintage.
Crashing heavily, the car was purchased and rebuilt by Baker Racing of Carrying Place Ontario.
Duncan Baker raced the car with great success.
The car then sold to Al Carlotti from Rhode Island in 1997.
Al sold the car to me in 2006.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please. When I return I can give you the detailed history as I have it.

*From my understanding Tony wrecked the car hard and Lola rebulit the chassis. As far as there being a 34"B"...I dont know. I can tell you the chassis numbers read "MODEL 212. CHASSIS No. H.U. 34."

Also if any of you can help me out w/ where to get spares, let me know. Thanks

-Zappa

allenbrown · 23 Jan 2006, 16:30 (Ref:1507420)

Hi Zappa

There is a significant gap in that history of course. Dorset Racing may well have had HU34 in 1973 but many years elapsed before Busby ran a T212 in vintage racing. I'm guessing at least 20 years. Do you know where your car was during that period and how confident are you that you can link the Dorset Racing car in 1973 to the Busby car?

Please don't think I'm getting on your back to moment you venture onto 10 Tenths. But someone needs to ask the testing questions when we look at any car and it's my turn this week.

Allen

zapparacing · 23 Jan 2006, 16:42 (Ref:1507429)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

There is a significant gap in that history of course. Dorset Racing may well have had HU34 in 1973 but many years elapsed before Busby ran a T212 in vintage racing. I'm guessing at least 20 years. Do you know where your car was during that period and how confident are you that you can link the Dorset Racing car in 1973 to the Busby car?

Allen, I do know that I have quite a bit of documentation on the car at my office, however I will not be back until tomorrow to check on that. Off the top of my head I cannot say if those documents show when and where the car went between that period. I would figure that it would, but I am sure some people on this site have info that I do not have. If you have any info, please let me know.

allenbrown · 23 Jan 2006, 16:47 (Ref:1507433)

Hi zappa

Of course, I'll be very happy to help how I can.

Allen

Jeremy Jackson · 23 Jan 2006, 22:20 (Ref:1507687)

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapparacing

*Tony Birchenhough (1972)*

*From my understanding Tony wrecked the car hard and Lola rebulit the chassis. As far as there being a 34"B"...I dont know. I can tell you the chassis numbers read "MODEL 212. CHASSIS No. H.U. 34."

-Zappa

The HU34B reference comes, at least in part from Autosport's Wunstors race report in August 1972:

"Tony Birchenough drove the Dorset Foods backed 1972 T212 (chassis HU34B and the last to be built)"

OK the T212 was a 1971 car, and there were later numbers than HU34, which I may mean this was a newly built 1972 chassis.

Birchenough switched to an FVC from a BMW at this race, so this may have been the first race for the new/rebuilt chassis? The previous race I have for him in a T212-BMW is the ADAC 1000kms in late May (DNF)

zapparacing · 25 Jan 2006, 01:50 (Ref:1508534)

If anyone has any information or pictures of H.U. 34, would you please email me.

brahal · 18 Aug 2009, 02:28 (Ref:2523419)

i have recently purchased Lola T212 HU-34. The history of the car as we have determined is different than what has been previously reported. The car was sold by Haas to baker Racing(Atlanta, GA) in May of 1971. Baker Racing ran 3 T212s with Bobby Rinzler, Tom Fraser and Pete Harrison driving. Later in '71 Harrison wins the SCCA Run-Offs, Fraser is 4th and Rinzler 10th in Bs/r. In talking to Tom Fraser HU-34 (who believes he drove HU-34) and HU-35 were sold at the end of 1971 to John Gunn who then sold the cars to Canada. HU-34 appears in 1979/80 driven in local CASC and Can-Am races by Michel Provost of Montreal. he then sells car to Tom Meacham of Toronto around Spring 1980. Meacham then sells cars to Baker racing outside Toronto in 1989. Baker reskins HU-34 and sells to Al Carlotti. Carlotti sells to Zappa then to Ornstein on '06 then to me in August '09. Records discovered so far never see the car going to the UK, let alone being driven by Guy Edwards. In fact in a telephone conversation with Tony Birchenough, he does not recall buying a T212 from North America. Hope this clears up some of the mysteries

**John Turner** · 19 Aug 2009, 09:29 (Ref:2524231)

Excellent information, thank you, Bobby. Allen, hope that you are watching this.

Is it time to start a T212 thread in the archive?

driftwood · 20 Aug 2009, 15:27 (Ref:2525078)

Hmm just popping head above parapit wall waiting for it to be shot off

what car did Dorset racing have in 1972 HU34 or 34B
De Cadanet had T212 in 71 did this go to Dorset team for 72?

I know Tony B buys guy edwards T290 Hu22 for the 73 season and on till 78 ish when he sold it to nick mason but is the caretaker of this car today
and they had a 2nd T290 for 74-78 ish for a paying driver
from what i know about this car and how it came about and its plate and number given and based on this info i make a sweeping statement that perhaps the 34B plate is fitted to Dorsets car outside the factory remit
Mr Rahal can contact me directly for my further comments if he so wishes

notice
No animals where hurt in the making of my statement and no lawyers have been be used in this thread

911thillclimber · 21 Aug 2009, 06:16 (Ref:2525351)

John:
A Chassis thread on the 212's would be great, a Chassis thread on T 492's would be greater!
Seems the 492 boys are very recluse.

**John Turner** · 22 Aug 2009, 16:48 (Ref:2526144)

Down to you guys to get these threads going, but we need to have some good info to kick them off!

brahal · 22 Sep 2009, 10:57 (Ref:2545861)

More info re: HU-34. The car was purchased through Carl Haas in winter 71/72 by Louis Donolo Jr.,(Montreal, Que) and raced throughout 1972 by Louis(I spoke with him). He then sells car to Don Chab, Mahoning Valley SCCA, who uses car throughout 73/74. I spoke with Don but unfortunately he does not recall whom he sold car to in 1975. We are still working on that! However we now have closed the gap on HU-34's history and will continue to research the missing 4 years between 1975 and 1979.

Graz · 22 Sep 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2545925)

Interesting thread and a T212 thread would be interesting. T212 HU 37 turned up in Mondello recently and out of curiosity I searched for details on the web. From what I coulD tell, there are perhaps 2 chassis labled HU 37.

driftwood · 22 Sep 2009, 16:15 (Ref:2546071)

bobby i have some lola t210 212 names from `75 scca finals will email u this from my other PC as yr addres is on that machine

why did u buy t212 hu 34 ? was it to match the hu34 t290 car?
you never raced a t212 car
wanna buy B48?

**John Turner** · 23 Sep 2009, 09:35 (Ref:2546497)

I'd like to think that he purchased it because he is both an enthusiast (as we well know!) and he wants to come back and have a crack at winning the Silverstone Classic evening Sports Car Masters race outright next year.

brahal · 29 Oct 2009, 05:21 (Ref:2571814)

John, you're absolutely right

**John Turner** · 29 Oct 2009, 08:31 (Ref:2571861)

Excellent news! There might even be another enduro for only the 2 -litre cars if a plan I'm involved with comes together. A case of watch this space, I guess.

timbotwo · 13 Jan 2010, 16:41 (Ref:2612820)

HU34 was driven into 1st place at the " american road race of champions" race 13 B sports racing on november 28 1971 at roas atlanta winning by 0.8 secs from michael hall in his fathers lola212 hu28. i remember it well as i was michael's crew chief. HU 34 was entered by baker motors who were the local alfa dealer and was sponsored by ring free oil and run by rinzler racing who later went on to run the ex hiroshi kazato lola 222 in can-am the next year

brahal · 13 Jan 2010, 20:53 (Ref:2612955)

Timbotwo - great to hear from you. How do you know HU-34 won the Run-offs? Baker had three cars there and I had thought Tom Fraser finished fourth in HU-34. I do know where HU-34 went at the end of the year - to Louis Donolo Jr in Canada but if in fact it did win the Runoffs then all the better for me!!!

timbotwo · 14 Jan 2010, 00:07 (Ref:2613074)

google=" world sports prototypes-national races1971".race 13 A&B sport racing. if you are at the race show in birmingham today lets meet for a beer

brahal · 14 Jan 2010, 15:51 (Ref:2613392)

Timbotwo- sorry I won't be at the show but will be at Silverstone in April for Masters race. See you then?

driftwood · 14 Jan 2010, 18:27 (Ref:2613444)

290 or 212 to race?

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