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Old 23 Sep 2011, 14:11   #1
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South African Drivers in Europe

There have been many but not many of them progressed beyond either F3 or F2/F3000 level. This can't have been because they weren't good enough?

Off the top of my head:

Basil & Trevor Van Rooyen (Basil did some F1 iirc?)
Ian Scheckter
Rad Dougall
Mike White
Hilton Cowie
Chad Wentzel
Stephen Watson
Toby Scheckter
Thomas Scheckter
Etienne Van Der Linde
Garth Waberski
Christiano Morgado
Adrian Zaugg

Does anyone have any favourites?

Would any of them have made an impression had they reached the pinnacle?

Where are they now?
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Jody Scheckter you've obviously taken as read!

Desire Wilson?
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Graham Duxbury, the 1980 FF2000 Reynard SF80 did't help his career in UK.
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Jody Scheckter you've obviously taken as read!

Desire Wilson?
Yes, well only because he made it!

Desire was pretty good actually, you're not plugging her book are you Clive?

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Graham Duxbury, the 1980 FF2000 Reynard SF80 did't help his career in UK.
Crikey, there's a name I hadn't thought of! Did he end up doing Group C or something?

For me White's possibly the biggest SA talent that got away, but why he couldn't have carried on after the March 81 problems I don't know. Were his drives works supported or something because he must have had financial troubles as people couldn't have thought he was the reason for the 81 failure surely? The car couldn't compete with the Ralt in the UK.

I think i remember that if March had complete control on the drivers for the BMW F2 programme they would've signed him for 1980 but they didn't have. Things might have turned out very differently for him.

Van der Linde was mega quick as well, but he might have been one of those natural talents that lack the application?
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M.G. (Mike) de Udy; raced Group 4/5/6 sports cars in the late sixties/early seventies. Porsche 906 and Lola T70 Mk.3 spring to mind....
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There's a name to conjour with!

My old man mentioned him in the past. As a relative youngster he used to watch local Sports GT races at Combe and there was local ace; Ron Fry with his GT40 who used to dominate until one weekend De Udy turned up with his Porsche (908?) as a runout and blew hmi into the weeds!

I guess that's the difference between enthusiastic amateur and half decent pro!

Got to say Rad Dougall was bloody good as well, such a shame his early season F2 form in 1979 couldn't last the season. He had been quick in FF, F3 and F2.
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I had been looking at doing some 4x4 driving in southern Africa and came across this:

http://www.southernafrica4x4.com/#

Rad Dougall is in the rental business of land rover 4x4's in Joburg.
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Crikey, there's a name I hadn't thought of! Did he end up doing Group C or something?
Think the main car I associate Duxbury's name with in sportscars is the 'Kreepy Krauly' March-Porsche, which won the Daytona 24 hours in '84, and was also occasionally seen in Europe (Le Mans the same year?)
Was this a South African team competing in the US and Europe? IIRC, the money was certainly from South Africa (pool-cleaning equipment wasn't it?)
http://datsun510.com/photopost/data/...epy_Krauly.jpg

There were a few South Africans who appeared periodically in Europe in Group C- Duxbury, Sarel van der Merwe (occasional works Porsche drives), George Fouche (usually in Kremer 956s with 'Pretoria Brick' sponsorship http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/...6aae90bac0.jpg ) and Wayne Taylor all come to mind, although I guess Taylor is better-known these days for his subsequent career in the US.
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Yes that's right there was quite a few guys out in Group C and IMSA. Van der Merwe was possibly the most famous and successful South African driver after Jody Scheckter retired, and he was a bit of an all rounder to boot taking in rallying as well.

Wayne Taylor's an interesting one as he kind of became synonymous with Spice in Group C but I seem to recall there was a strong possibility that he was going to do F3000 in the late 80's.

I think he may well have tested but never actually entered? His sometime teammate Fermin Velez did take the plunge that but without any success.
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Two pre-war voiturette drivers of no mean ability: Pat Fairfield (killed at Le Mans in 1937) and Norman Wilson (subject of a wonderful Klemantaski photo, died in an air crash 1942).
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I had been looking at doing some 4x4 driving in southern Africa and came across this:

http://www.southernafrica4x4.com/#

Rad Dougall is in the rental business of land rover 4x4's in Joburg.
Wow, thanks for the info and link!

He had a lot of potential, shame his single seater career stopped and the touring car one also hardly got off the ground.
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Two pre-war voiturette drivers of no mean ability: Pat Fairfield (killed at Le Mans in 1937) and Norman Wilson (subject of a wonderful Klemantaski photo, died in an air crash 1942).
Wow thanks for the offerings Vitesse, these are names that not many people under the age of 40 would have thought of I suspect?

Can you tell us some more about them please?
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Hi Guys, Also Tony Martin, partnered with Sarel vd Merwe and Graham Duxbury to win the 1984 Daytona 24 hours.

I know Tony very well, he shared my Lotus 7 in a 3 hour endurance event in 2007. I was running in the rain for at least 20min then came in for a driver change, Tony took over from me and his lap times in the wet were quicker than my dry lap times. he now builds Cobra race cars (BACKDRAFT) and has probably the quickest car on track in the country.
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I think Tony Martin might have visited these shores in the ETC at one point, does that sound about right?

Or am I getting confused with Tony Viana?
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I think that it would have been Viana. Shaun v.d. Linde did a few touring car races, as did Mike Briggs (runs some petrol garages in PE, I think).

Hennie Groenewald was quite quick in F3 back in 93. Marco dos Santos did a one off for Goddard in F3 as well. Mike Bryan did a one off in F3000 in the late 80's, I think.

Various drivers lower down in F/Ford (me!), mainly at the Festival. I think the reason why there were more drivers back in the early 80's was due to the strength of the Rand. I believe that at one point it was stronger than the Pound. Now it's between R10 - R15, depending on what's going on in ZA. There's very little point in ZA companies pumping money into international race series when there will be no return on their investment. Most decent ZA drivers go back and race Modified Saloons or Group N type touring cars.

Stephen Watson was heavily involved in the soccer world cup, I believe that Cowie is in Scandinavia now.
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