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Old 15 Mar 2006, 19:10   #31
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I was there in 1990 as a newbie marshal working on Sherlock Street (I think!). We had a huge TVR Tuscan incident - he bounced off the armco on both sides (including knocking back the flag point which was up in the air on scaffolding) before landing right by us. As we helped him over the barrier the poor guy was nearly in tears - it was a new car. I don't think I impressed him by pointing out that the mirror in the middle of the track looked pretty undamaged!

There is also a tale surrounding all the NW marshals going for a Chinese - but I won't repeat it here apart from mentioning that our ex-president Pete Roberts had to carry me inside because he'd tied my shoelaces together on the minibus (unbeknown to me).

And if I recall correctly, some of the delays in 1985 were as a result of local "fans" having gone round unscrewing the bolts in the armco - so they all had to be checked before anything could get going. My uncle, Derek Ongaro rip, was in charge of safety and he was not a happy chappy. Actually.....that gives me a thought for a new thread!
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Old 15 Mar 2006, 20:50   #32
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I think there is footage of the stranded car in the race racehlights of the TVR race, I believe you was located not that far from the fast left hander to Pershore Street.
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Old 16 Mar 2006, 12:03   #33
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I attended every Super Prix. My memories are:

The rain the first year. Thetailend of a hurricane from the States (I think it may have been called Charlie).

The noise. It wasn't too bad on certain parts but especially around the fruit market it bounced back at you.

The start of practice the first year being delayed because the armco needed tightening.

Russell Spence being hoist aloft in his car because he was a pratt and was trying (unfortunately he succeeded) in getting the session stopped.

A race for MG Metro 6R4s

The Halfords Hairpin. Great overtaking, plenty of incident, and a thin advertising banner being continuously ripped off by the cars brushing against it.

A perfectly healthy tree being cut down because it impeeded the view from a grandstand. I found that a shame because with a bit of thought the grandstand could have been built a few feet away without a problem.

Drivers posing for photographs around Bristol Street Motors. they all seemed so friendly and approachable (but then even F1 drivers were back then).

Residents selling drinks and sandwiches from their gardens.

A girl called Sue!
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Close, it was Hurricane Charley.

I would like to know more about the delayed practice sessions because the armco wasn't tightened on properly. Which part of the circuit that was affected? How much time was the practice sessions was delayed?

A member in an other forum (not sure if I am allowed to mention it but anyway...) said that he looked at Jean Alesi's tyres in the pits after qualifying in 1989. He said that the tyres sidewalls was covered in blue and red plastic pieces. It was clear that Jean Alesi was taking a tight line into the Halfords Hairpin and shredded parts of the plastic covers of the Halfords sponsors!
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And if I recall correctly, some of the delays in 1985 were as a result of local "fans" having gone round unscrewing the bolts in the armco - so they all had to be checked before anything could get going. My uncle, Derek Ongaro rip, was in charge of safety and he was not a happy chappy. Actually.....that gives me a thought for a new thread!
My memory of the armco problem was that is was 'lapped'* the wrong way and the joints had to be changed over.
*This means that the Armco joints should be so that (in the direction of travel) the ending section was on top of the new section. Then there would be no problem with a car 'brushin' the barrier, and digging in.
Just one more thought...
Could this problem have arisen because the circuit was run anti - clockwise, which is the opposite direction to most 'normal' circuits?
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What about the drivers football match on the start/finish line?

That was a hoot can't remember who won but Satoru Nakajima had a great time.

After the match swapped jokes with him which was interesting because he couldn't speak English and we went through an interpreter. Weird but very funny!!
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Ah yes, I heard about that football story! This guy posted on an other forum and he said that there was a kick about and they used trolley jacks as the goalposts!

There was a match Italy against the rest of the world as there was a large number of Italian drivers taking part of the 1986 season. So Capelli and Tarquini took part and did the typcial Italian goal celebrations like embracing the goal scorer and lifting the hands in the air to the crowd.

The soaked crowd absolutely enjoyed it!
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My memory of the armco problem was that is was 'lapped'* the wrong way and the joints had to be changed over.
*This means that the Armco joints should be so that (in the direction of travel) the ending section was on top of the new section. Then there would be no problem with a car 'brushin' the barrier, and digging in.
Just one more thought...
Could this problem have arisen because the circuit was run anti - clockwise, which is the opposite direction to most 'normal' circuits?
Did you actually see the armco lapped wrongly? After the Thundersports crash (in which I was envolved) I believe there was a legal action in which this was said, but I thought this to do with a gate in the armco and not wrongly lapped armco.
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I can't recall of an armco gate in the F3000 video footage I got. Is it to do with right-left kink before the Ferodo corner that caused Robin Smith's fiery Thundersports shunt in 1986?


(Photo taken by me)

Or is it much further back near the mosque?
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I am certainly stretching the memory and can only go by what I remember being told 10+ years ago - so not sure whether or not I'm telling fibs.

T'other half did the first race and reckons they tightened up the armco bolts themselves - just to get things moving.

Don't you just love different perspectives.........
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I was there in 1990 as a newbie marshal working on Sherlock Street (I think!). We had a huge TVR Tuscan incident - he bounced off the armco on both sides (including knocking back the flag point which was up in the air on scaffolding) before landing right by us. As we helped him over the barrier the poor guy was nearly in tears - it was a new car. I don't think I impressed him by pointing out that the mirror in the middle of the track looked pretty undamaged!

I was stood on top of the Flag Point when that happened - quite exciting I only went to the last one but I do remember having a brilliant time. The other abiding memory is of waiting for the Barbazza / Irvine battle to arrive into sight and seeing something flash across the end of the street, it was Barbazza proceding (quickly!) to the scene of the accident. Pity as it was his best F3000 drive. Also remember how easy it was to get away from the circuit at the end of the meeting. Fantstic.
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Robin Smith hit the barrier on the straight while passing a number af slower cars in qualifying. I was 2-300 yards further up the track when he passed us at speed and the fuel that leaked into the cockpit exploded and blew the doors open.We were understandably busy from then on and I never did walk down to the mosque to see the "offending " gate. Derek Ongaro had walked the entire circuit in the mornng and I believe that all the loose bolts were tightened before practice started.
Rumour had it at the time that vandels had undone the bolts
the previous evening
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I was stood on top of the Flag Point when that happened - quite exciting I only went to the last one but I do remember having a brilliant time. The other abiding memory is of waiting for the Barbazza / Irvine battle to arrive into sight and seeing something flash across the end of the street, it was Barbazza proceding (quickly!) to the scene of the accident. Pity as it was his best F3000 drive. Also remember how easy it was to get away from the circuit at the end of the meeting. Fantstic.
Was it a green TVR and you had to bring out the split oil warning flags? I got highlights of the race and I believe it is that car.

Continue contributing this thread, I am really enjoying this thread! If any of you got any photos then I would be very interested!
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Was it a green TVR and you had to bring out the split oil warning flags? I got highlights of the race and I believe it is that car.
In my memory it was a dark green but I can't comment on the flags. As I've said previously, there was at least a mirror in the track so I'm pretty sure there was other debris as well. And back in 1990 the oil flag was still used for debris, rather than the yellow (but that's a whole different debate).

I also remember that we used the toilets in a nearby pub - I'm sure the locals were very friendly but it wasn't the sort of place I would normally frequent. Or maybe the staring was just due to "this girl in orange overalls" having walked in - that's usually enough to get funny looks!
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Yes, it was a dark green TVR still pointing against the armco, not sideways by the armco.

Also the pub you must be referring to is the White Swan pub, it is still there today and I am tempted to pop in one day and ask someone there if they know anything about the BSP!
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