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Originally Posted by Akrapovic
I agree F1 is a bit broken, but not using these metrics.
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What are we using as a judgment basis for F1 being broken.
The OP seemed to suggest that statistics indicate this:
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Originally Posted by GregUK
There was pre-qualifying and 6 cars were eliminated through that, leaving 30 cars to chase the 26 available places. The slowest 4 didn't make the grid. Of these, the slowest was Emilio de Villota (father of the late Maria) who was just 3.04 seconds away from James Hunt's pole time.
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It has been suggested that a lack of overtaking is also an indicator of how 'bad' things are:
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Originally Posted by morninggents
Of course it is different from 1977 - in those days and for many years before and after cars could overtake each other on the track and not just due to 'pitstop strategy'.
Of course the old times looked better - because they were - the racing was much superior to todays follow my leader until a pitstop farces.
I will grant that yesterdays race was one of the better ones of recent years because of Hamilton's assisted spin and great recovery but was there much on track overtaking?
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So how much overtaking actually happened in the past - this era people refer to where one or two races a season can be recalled as having lots of overtakes, whereas in fact the majority of races were just decided on attrition.
So how about some other facts to see how today's racing stacks up?
In 2016 - Max Verstappen set a new record for overtakes in a season by a single driver. His 78 was 16 more than Lauda's 32-yr record. Obviously there are more races in recent seasons, but surely this confirms that overtaking is an art that new drivers are familiar with? Verstappen's overtakes came at an average of 3.71 per race, compared to Lauda's 3.75.
The top ten (as of 31 Dec 16):
| 1 - Max Verstappen - 2016 - 78 - 3.71 |
| 2 - Daniel Ricciardo - 2016 - 61 - 2.90 |
| 3 - Sebastian Vettel - 2012 - 60 - 3.00 |
| 4 - Michael Schumacher - 2003 - 60 - 3.75 |
| 5 - Niki Lauda - 1984 - 60 - 3.75 |
| 6 - Felipe Massa - 2013 - 59 - 3.10 |
| 7 - Mark Webber - 2013 - 59 - 3.10 |
| 8 - Jean-Eric Vergne - 2012 - 58 - 2.90 |
| 9 - Sergio Perez - 2016 - 56 - 2.66 |
| 10 - Kimi Raikkonen - 2013 - 56 - 2.95 |
How about the overall field, well the list of total overtakes per season 1984-2016 reads as follows:
| Year - Overtakes - Races - Average per race |
| 1990 - 494 - 16 - 30.9 |
| 1991 - 495 - 16 - 30.9 |
| 1992 - 406 - 16 - 25.4 |
| 1993 - 392 - 16 - 24.5 |
| 1994 - 289 - 16 - 18.1 |
| 1995 - 297 - 17 - 17.5 |
| 1996 - 186 - 16 - 11.6 |
| 1997 - 265 - 17 - 15.6 |
| 1998 - 207 - 16 - 12.9 |
| 1999 - 260 - 16 - 16.3 |
| 2000 - 279 - 16 - 16.4 |
| 2001 - 230 - 17 - 13.5 |
| 2002 - 235 - 17 - 13.8 |
| 2003 - 303 - 16 - 18.9 |
| 2004 - 287 - 18 - 16.2 |
| 2005 - 207 - 19 - 10.9 |
| 2006 - 291 - 18 - 16.2 |
| 2007 - 270 - 17 - 15.9 |
| 2008 - 267 - 18 - 14.8 |
| 2009 - 211 - 16 - 13.2 |
| 2010 - 452 - 19 - 23.8 |
| 2011 - 821 - 19 - 43.2 |
| 2012 - 870 - 20 - 43.5 |
| 2013 - 760 - 19 - 40.0 |
| 2014 - 636 - 19 - 33.5 |
| 2015 - 509 - 19 - 26.8 |
| 2016 - 866 - 21 - 41.2 |
I understand that the high number of overtakes in recent seasons is down to DRS, and many would see these as purely 'passes' that have not required an overtaking skill. But prior to this the trend was downwards - and this is most likely down to technological advances. The organisers have introduced measures to negate this factor. Is that not what is currently being proposed by the OP?
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Originally Posted by GregUK
Let's have skinnier tyres; smaller brakes; way less aero; get rid of all the hybrid stuff and fuel limitations but add a bit more bhp. How hard can it be?
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It would be lot harder to get manufacturers to agree to a reduction in abilty to showcase their technical prowess!