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Old 8 Apr 2021, 21:39 (Ref:4045226)   #113
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morninggents should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
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Originally Posted by crmalcolm View Post
So - from what you have explained - it is the standard of car being driven that contributes to the 'greatness'?

I can totally understand that - and see where you are coming from. It's obviously difficult under current F1 circumstances, because the best car in the field has appeared obvious. Maybe if Red Bull can consistently be the fastest car this season, but Hamilton takes a title it will see his standing rise?

I did also ponder how 'dominant' Hamilton's cars have been, and so I took a look at a comparison of Hamilton's first 10 seasons compared to Senna's - and particularly their respective team-mates as a guide to how much was car and how much was driver.
     
SeasonSennaTeam-mate(s)HamiltonTeam-mate(s)
113pts-9th3pts-16th109pts-2nd109pts-3rd
238pts-4th33pts-5th98pts-1st53pts-7th
355pts-4th3pts-13th49pts-5th22pts-12th
457pts-3rd7pts-12th240pts-4th214pts-5th
590pts-1st87pts-2nd227pts-5th270pts-2nd
660pts-2nd76pts-1st190pts-4th188pts-5th
778pts-1st43pts-4th189pts-4th171pts-6th
896pts-1st43pts-4th384pts-1st317pts-2nd
950pts-4th49pts-5th381pts-1st322pts-2nd
1073pts-2nd11pts-9th380pts-2nd385pts-1st
Which suggest to me; if Hamilton is to be more consistently considered the GOAT he needs his team-mate to start finishing 3rd or lower in the WDC?

If Red Bull were to be dominant and Lewis still became WDC it would naturally increase his stock. However, it's not only the car's dominance but the team as well as they don't make many wrong calls.


Your table of team mates' comparison is interesting but if you add the last 4 years to Lewis's table it makes the Mercedes' superiority even more marked.


I can't say the suggestion (made by others) that he should change to an inferior team to prove his worth holds any merit. Why would he even contemplate it and is there any precedence?

I agree with Ayse - I also didn't vote against Hamilton.
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