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You can’t handle the truth!
To be fair it is me saying people can’t handle it. There seems to be a lot of evidence for that. Although it is opposite from the line from A Few Good Men. We don’t have to go deep down here, the truth is rather dull. The truth is that there are some people analysing some data. They probably drink Perrier water. |
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The article was discussed at length in our group chat before being posted. It wasn't intended as a "you have to come to us to get info", but I can see how it comes across that way. But the "we need to get the info from the media" is true about everything, surely? Whether that's external media, or the WEC website (which is barely usable), or podcasts, or the commentary team. We rely on media to relay information. Without that every fan would need to dig through the technical PDFs every race, which isn't reasonable. To argue for the "fans don't need to know" side of things - how many people are aware LMGT3 has success ballast in WEC? Almost nobody. Because it's not mentioned anywhere other than some technical bulletins. The main sites rarely mention it, the commentary team doesn't mention it, RLM doesn't mention it. Since the media isn't talking about it, people aren't aware of it. Sidenote: If you have an opinion piece you'd want to write but have no where to post it, then theracingline.media is open to anyone on ten tenths who wants to. |
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As an aside, I feel I ought to look at GT more. I’ve been automating the review of lap times, speeds, laps, stints, etc… as you might of noticed. For two reason. One is to teach myself python. Another is to make it easier for me to look at the data rather than spend the time pulling it together. Not that it took ages before, but I am time poor. I mention because one aim to be able to easily switch to look at different classes. Which, apart from Le Mans, I rarely did. Like the TV coverage I concentrated on the top class. Anyway, I agree, it is rarely mentioned that there is success ballast. I’ve been superficially tracking as I scrape the BoP data which, unless trl get their way is freely available. And people can’t handle them |
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Just some context. I view this topic as interesting , but in the world order inconsequential. In the context of sportscar racing it is quite fundamental, but where we are now also, oddly, minor. It has as enabled me to see much more of the wonderful nuanced aspects of endurance racing. So I am flippant, amused and find the topic fun. Yet, also unimportant. Quote:
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I'm curious as to why IMSA's BOP draws hardly any discussion,criticism, or controversy. The last post in the IMSA BOP thread is from July. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this is what happens when you remove Toyota
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Less cars. Only one type of car at the moment. They just get on with it.
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I think the "you can't have this good racing without bop" is not really true. I think it's something that manufacturers see and feel they have a good chance to win, like in GT3. If they were to do another cost-control measure, I think the manufacturers would show up too. Like a budget-cap, or chassis suppliers like now with lmdh/lmp2 (that might not happen).Just my opinion, I feel like bop is the 'easiest' way to appease the group. But it doesn't really stop out-spending by certain manufacturers.
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For once, I agree. However, the ease at which BoP creates the conditions for close racing as opposed to any form of cost control cannot be ignored. Some manufacturers would show up for cost-controlled series, as long as they agreed with the level of cost-control. But denying the chance to spend their way out of trouble (regardless of if it works or not) would quickly see them leave. |
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One issue BoP has is that all of the manufacturers are completely delusional. They all think they're hard done by with the BoP. So now instead of a manufacturer just doing badly (Peugeot), they think the BoP is unfair.
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If they really believe this then it is bad as they might leave. Although they probably would have left, or not even joined, without BoP. So no worse off and if they do a better job than Peugeot they will have a decent chance.
It also could just be talk to make themselves feel better and they understand the actual situation. Which is then just being tedious for no real reason. Still it could be worse. Pescarolo could have a team |
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