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20 Dec 2004, 12:19 (Ref:1183852)
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The best driver to never win a race?
So who was the best driver never to win a race?
Martin Brundle? Chris Amon? Stefan Johansson? Eddie Cheever? Derek Warick? Jean-Pierre Jarier? Ivan Capelli? Mike Hailwood? Personaly I think Martin Brundle, who came close to winning a number of times, Montreal and Spa in '92 spring to mind. He was did well in British F3 when he challenged Senna for the title. |
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20 Dec 2004, 12:20 (Ref:1183857)
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i think we had this one before ..
i think Amon . |
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20 Dec 2004, 12:29 (Ref:1183863)
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Chris Amon.
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20 Dec 2004, 12:31 (Ref:1183866)
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Amon and Brundle.
Of the current drivers - Button. |
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20 Dec 2004, 12:58 (Ref:1183895)
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Surely there is a spot on the list for Pedro Diniz
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20 Dec 2004, 13:01 (Ref:1183896)
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20 Dec 2004, 13:03 (Ref:1183900)
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Doesn't this question come up every few months? I'd've said ti was Chris Amon - how many times did he break down or have something else beyond his control go wrong while in contention for a win? He actually took more pole positions than some drivers who became champions.
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20 Dec 2004, 13:12 (Ref:1183909)
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Amon, no doubt the most unlucky driver in F1 history.
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20 Dec 2004, 13:14 (Ref:1183915)
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Agreed, I think mario Andretti expressed his best humour about him:
"Chris' luck! If he went into the undertaking business, people would stop dying!" 
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20 Dec 2004, 13:18 (Ref:1183917)
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Not only is Amon the best driver never to have won a race, he is one of the best never to have won a Championship, albeit behind Moss and Gurney and maybe a couple of others.
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20 Dec 2004, 13:34 (Ref:1183931)
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20 Dec 2004, 14:55 (Ref:1183997)
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Putting Chris Amon aside for a moment, the fact that both Johansson and Capelli (both ex modern era Ferrari drivers) are on the above list, shows how much Ferrari have turned around and, where they have come from. No dis-respect to Rubens, but you could pick one of many F1 drivers from the grid and put them in the current Ferrari and they would win at least one race in a couple of years. Back in 1985 & 1986 when Johansson drove alongside Alboreto, Ferrari scored only a single win in two seasons - 1985 Alboreto at Canada. In 1992 when Capelli drove it was another barren year for Ferrair, Alesi and Ivan only scoring a feeble 21 points between them. Ferrari came 4th in the constructors that year, which is in fact a flattering position, as they were some 143 points behind the winners (Williams) and scraped home in front of teams like Lotus and Tyrrell who were by then way past their best periods. Brundle was unlucky in that he on two occasions in the right team at the wrong time. He spent many years in mid-grid teams, yet still managed to find himself at McLaren when they went through one of their pretty rare barren spells whilst struggling with the woeful Peugeot engine, then ended up at Benetton alongside Schumacher... |
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20 Dec 2004, 15:01 (Ref:1184001)
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What about poor Stefan Bellof
 Brundle and Amon as well... |
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20 Dec 2004, 15:19 (Ref:1184023)
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I thought Alboreto won twice in 1985? And I don't rate Capelli all that highly - he was made to look better than he was in 1988 by Adrian Newey's design. In that 1992 season he only scored 3 points out of those 21. The point about this being a great era to be Ferrari #2 certainly still stands though.
Amon really has to be the leading candidate in this thread - that quote from Mario was someone's signature a while ago. Behind him I'd be thinking Brundle and Jarier out of the guys whose careers wren't cut short, and Bellof and Hailwood out of guys who didn't have full-length careers (obviously Hailwood was too busy winning in bikes for a long time). |
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20 Dec 2004, 16:22 (Ref:1184079)
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Its got be Amon, if we discount people who didn't get to fulfil their full careers. If we go there, well, Moll, Bellof, South are just the first three who spring to mind...
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20 Dec 2004, 18:12 (Ref:1184182)
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20 Dec 2004, 18:30 (Ref:1184200)
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Tom Pryce?
In more modern times I feared Trulli would never win, looks like he might never again now! |
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20 Dec 2004, 18:53 (Ref:1184224)
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Definitely Amon for me.
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20 Dec 2004, 19:28 (Ref:1184251)
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20 Dec 2004, 19:39 (Ref:1184255)
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Completely off-topic, but I think Trulli has more chance of winning again than Fisichella, even thoguh I rate Giancarlo higher. With Mike Gascoyne gone (to Toyota, of course) I can see Renault being less competitive in 2005 - probably battling for 4th with Williams, Toyota and perhaps Sauber and Red Bull.
Tom Pryce certainly deserves a mention, as does Tony Brise. Thinking about it, there are a lot of British guys being mentioned here - perhaps we over-estimate our own drivers? On a related subejct, as a kid I always saw Johnny Herbert as a guy who deserved better luck - where would people have placed him among this list if he'd've never taken those wins? |
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20 Dec 2004, 19:48 (Ref:1184265)
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How about Mike Thackwell, the guy had awsome talent, words fail me how he never got a proper crack at F1, it still winds me up even after all these years.
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20 Dec 2004, 19:51 (Ref:1184267)
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Am I right in saying he retired from the sport of his own accord? Too much, too soon maybe?
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20 Dec 2004, 20:17 (Ref:1184307)
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It has to be AMON
Consider this - Chris Amon STARTED 95 Grand Prix
 If he had been racing now then that figure would have been into the 120s! Peter Arundell was another immense talent whose career was blighted by injury. How about good old DINGER (Derek Bell) a driver whose talents were undervalued. Eddie Chhever should have won as he was good enough. Mark Donohue was probably too old when he finally got an F1 drive but boy was he good! Vic Elford was probably one of the most versatile drivers. Christian Fittipaldi was too impatient and quit when he still could have made it! Bruno Giacomelli went and drove for Alfa through natioanl pride. Mike Hailwood was too laid back but when he wanted to he was superb. Chris Irwin whose life was so tragically cut short. Stefan Johansson - Swedish charger Helmuth Koinigg - another to die before his immense talent had been realised. Geoff Lees - the most talented Brit not to win a GP Arturo Merzario - Italian with flair Saturo Nakajima - Up until 2004 Japan's best Jonathan Palmer - the good Doctor's early years blighted by car choice Dieter Quester - the best driver whose name begins with Q Brian Redman - talent in bucket loads just too forthright Mika Salo - so close! Gabriele Tarquini - what a talent shame he never got a chance Bobby Unser - never spent enough time in F1 to fully realise his potential Luigi Villoresi - too old when F1 World Championship started but what a talent!!!!! Ken Wharton - Britain's most versatile racing driver. Alessandro Zanardi - what can you say about this courageous driver! |
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Chris Amon, no doubt about it.
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