Lowdnes in at Lamborghini ???

D.R.T. · 16 Nov 2003, 08:07 (Ref:784830)

A story circulating at the Procar forums suggested the possibility of Lowdnes joining the TLA/MCR Diablo as their fourth driver via his link with the Auto Barn brand which would sponsor the car. Could this happen ?, I hope so.

pete55 · 16 Nov 2003, 08:19 (Ref:784837)

That would add a bit more interest to the event. Would be good to see too. I think there might be a few more name drivers to enter the race yet.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Nov 2003, 08:24 (Ref:784841)

I would have said Brad Jones would be a closer fit, with the VW-Audi-Lambo ties....

racer69 · 16 Nov 2003, 08:49 (Ref:784860)

Especially considering he pulled out of the BMW drive

jetsetter · 16 Nov 2003, 08:56 (Ref:784863)

It wouldn't suprise me if more V8 drivers tried to line up seats in the next few days.

Just Do It! · 16 Nov 2003, 08:56 (Ref:784864)

Is "Mr Magic" speaking with his head? One would assume it wasn't with his heart!

**GTRMagic** · 16 Nov 2003, 09:04 (Ref:784874)

I would actually like to see Glenn Seton or someone else who can contribute positively to chassis setup in there, but the logical fit (therefore using some grey matter) is Mr Jones because of past associations with the sister companies.

Interestingly the tease on the PROCAR site intimated that Mr Lowndes was contingent on the Autobarn money, so perhaps a moneyed bystander could end up in the gig....

jetsetter · 16 Nov 2003, 09:07 (Ref:784878)

Who has replaced Brad Jones in the BMW?

racer69 · 16 Nov 2003, 09:10 (Ref:784880)

Neil Crompton

mac · 17 Nov 2003, 00:46 (Ref:785317)

Would Ford let their golden boy race for another brand?

DNQ · 17 Nov 2003, 02:09 (Ref:785352)

I doubt they'd worry, hardly like Lambo competes with Ford in the marketplace.

Driver · 17 Nov 2003, 02:11 (Ref:785354)

But wasn't one of the reasons he left HRT is that Ford would let him chase other drives if they became available?

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 03:11 (Ref:785379)

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Originally posted by Driver
But wasn't one of the reasons he left HRT is that Ford would let him chase other drives if they became available?

HRT or more specifically TWR who Lowndes had his management agreement with, never specifically said that Lowndes couldn't take any other drives.

This all centred around TWR not giving permission for Craig to participate in the new years 24 hour street race.

TWR's version of events is that they were never approached to give him a release to drive (fairly standard business practice one would assume, seeing as how Craig was legally under contract to TWR at the time) until literally the last minute.

When they approached Craig's representatives to discuss the matter, they did'nt want to sit down with TWR and negotiate the issue, therefore TWR didn't give their permission for him to drive.

Now this may or may not be exactly what happened, but Craig (or his representatives) have never actually seen fit to sit down and tell his side of the story.

So all we have is TWR's side and a heap of speculation.

I think the very large cheques that Craig receives are a far greater reason for his departure to Ford than being allowed to compete in other events.....

Onlooker · 17 Nov 2003, 03:19 (Ref:785382)

But that is just the reality of life,people jumping ship for a buck.
Look at one prominent driver who was given an established and very succesful team to run and foster virtually as his own only to make a complete dogs breakfast of it,allienate staff,fail to secure backing and turn his back on the whole team ownership thing stating that you cn't drive and manage effectively in this day and age,only to now have got another established and succesful team to run and foster as his own.

GTV27 · 17 Nov 2003, 03:27 (Ref:785385)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
But that is just the reality of life,people jumping ship for a buck.
Look at one prominent driver who was given an established and very succesful team to run and foster virtually as his own only to make a complete dogs breakfast of it,allienate staff,fail to secure backing and turn his back on the whole team ownership thing stating that you cn't drive and manage effectively in this day and age,only to now have got another established and succesful team to run and foster as his own.

hmm, subtle, but I think I nose who you mean

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 03:28 (Ref:785387)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
But that is just the reality of life,people jumping ship for a buck.
Look at one prominent driver who was given an established and very succesful team to run and foster virtually as his own only to make a complete dogs breakfast of it,allienate staff,fail to secure backing and turn his back on the whole team ownership thing stating that you cn't drive and manage effectively in this day and age,only to now have got another established and succesful team to run and foster as his own.

Who might that be onlooker.

You've got me guessing.....

Onlooker · 17 Nov 2003, 03:52 (Ref:785391)

Should I have said
"set up $2 shelf company as front for succesful team that is unable to disclose it's ownership"
would that help you out???Would that have been a better clue??

No just joking they are still staying in touch with the
K Mart guys and are infact a real chance to catch and beat Todd's parents,in there first crack at owning a team and running it.At least thay have shown old Weels'y a clean set of heals and wont be the 3rd placed HMS team at the end of the year.Who would have thought that a couple of people from Mildura could turn around the flagging fortunes of a team in such short notice and remain true to there bussines plan and not syphon information off to help there son face the embarrasment of being what is probally the worst performing HRT driver since Mezera,eclipsing Murf in 97 as the one to do least with the most.

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 04:13 (Ref:785404)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
Should I have said
"set up $2 shelf company as front for succesful team that is unable to disclose it's ownership"
would that help you out???Would that have been a better clue??

No just joking they are still staying in touch with the
K Mart guys and are infact a real chance to catch and beat Todd's parents,in there first crack at owning a team and running it.At least thay have shown old Weels'y a clean set of heals and wont be the 3rd placed HMS team at the end of the year.Who would have thought that a couple of people from Mildura could turn around the flagging fortunes of a team in such short notice and remain true to there bussines plan and not syphon information off to help there son face the embarrasment of being what is probally the worst performing HRT driver since Mezera,eclipsing Murf in 97 as the one to do least with the most.

Oohhh, the bitterness is strong with this one......

By the way, Murph's (largely not his own fault) average results in 97' was a far better effort than the vast majority of Ford teams have managed since....

The ownership of K Mart is old news champ. TEGA has the right to decline potential franchisees if they wish.

They scrutinized the Kelly's and they passed with flying colours.

John is a succesful buisnessman in his own right and I don't recall seeing a rule that says that you have to be associatted with the sport for 20 years before you are "eligible" to own a team.

And as for Todd's results, he's in the top ten in the championship and has sat on pole, with several podium finishes to his credit, as well as the shared Sandown 500 victory.

More than can be said for quite a few blue oval boys with far more experience and more famous fathers than Toddler...

barra · 17 Nov 2003, 04:19 (Ref:785408)

I didn't know Ambrose or Ingall had famous fathers!!!
Cause they seem to be doing fairly well this year!!!

Onlooker · 17 Nov 2003, 04:40 (Ref:785419)

Would you like to explain to everyone what and who was at fault in the unfortunate year of the Murf(97) and perhaps the reason for the unreliability of both cars,perhaps with a brief overview of the types of problems that besieged the team, and how they fixed them for next year.Were the problems all contained to one area and was there a common cause to this unfortunate spate of failures
I never said that Todd parents couldn't own the team infact they have made a great job of it and have the best performing 2 car team that Holdens badge adorns.Maybe not the best 2 car team but the best Holden has to offer at the moment and won Bathurst at their first attempt.

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 04:48 (Ref:785426)

Quote:

Originally posted by barra
I didn't know Ambrose or Ingall had famous fathers!!!
Cause they seem to be doing fairly well this year!!!

Don't know about Ingall, But Marcos' dad was one of the owners of Van Demon racing cars. I'd count that as at least very well known within the industry.

Maybe you should read up a little on your own Ford heroes.....

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 05:10 (Ref:785438)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
Would you like to explain to everyone what and who was at fault in the unfortunate year of the Murf(97) and perhaps the reason for the unreliability of both cars,perhaps with a brief overview of the types of problems that besieged the team, and how they fixed them for next year.Were the problems all contained to one area and was there a common cause to this unfortunate spate of failures
I never said that Todd parents couldn't own the team infact they have made a great job of it and have the best performing 2 car team that Holdens badge adorns.Maybe not the best 2 car team but the best Holden has to offer at the moment and won Bathurst at their first attempt.

Check my posts Onlooker, I never accused you of saying anything negative about the Kellys. I just outlined part of the team purchasing process.

As for Murph and HRT in 97'. It's all in the HRT book, there's no great secret.

The team was trying to maintain their advantage and experimented with lightweight drivetrain components (amongst other things) and that contributed to a number of driveline failures, to both Murphy and Brock's cars, but Murph probably had the worst luck of the two.

The common cause for these failures was HRT trying to improve and stay ahead of the pack.

I'd suggest that the net result of much of the hard work in 97' (and subsequent years) was the fact that they've won every touring car title since.

Not a bad consolation for one ordinary season.

A consolation unfortunately that Ford and it's teams do not have the luxury of to date....

Onlooker · 17 Nov 2003, 05:20 (Ref:785443)

Oh Ok I thought you were going to draw a conection with TEGA monitoring brake pressure,my mistake.I must say I havn't thought to read the book find out the inside story

Dave HRT Moy · 17 Nov 2003, 05:30 (Ref:785448)

Quote:

Originally posted by Onlooker
Oh Ok I thought you were going to draw a conection with TEGA monitoring brake pressure,my mistake.I must say I havn't thought to read the book find out the inside story

Funny Onlooker, I can't recall TEGA even being around in 97?

Anyway, please direct me to where I will find all of this information on HRT's brake pressure being monitored by them.

I'd be interested to read all about it.

Seems to have somehow slipped past me for the last 6 years ! ! !

pete55 · 17 Nov 2003, 05:34 (Ref:785451)

Sh#t, I'm lost. This is too deep.

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