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8 Nov 2009, 09:09 (Ref:2578092) | #1 | ||
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Safety car shambles
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8 Nov 2009, 10:03 (Ref:2578126) | #2 | ||
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I wonder if they'll penalise Whincup for passing the safety car. Wouldn't surprise me given the way they try to run the show. Amateurs.
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8 Nov 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2578137) | #3 | ||
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Quite a simple fix:
Give the control of the Safety Car back to the Clerk of Course,(who still actually has control of it according to the rules, but Timmy in his infinite wisdom has taken control of it to craft the Motortainment package) Put it back on the Race Control radio channel (not the VESA radio) and let TC's puppet Tim, feebly attempt to stage manage all other aspects of the entertainment package...sorry race, but not the Safety Car. Today proved that it needs to be deployed in situations that require the field to be controlled Safely. The Clerk of the Course MUST to have the ability to be able to deploy it when issues concerning on-track Safety arise. Currently the Entertainment Car is being used as a TV package management tool, directed by a Tool, and if these changes can't be implemented, well maybe it's time for the Tool to be placed back on the wall in the shed.... Don't for one minute blame the Safety Car driver for today''s incident, he/she, (Amber in this case) is controlled by the actions or inaction's of the aforementioned Tool, who I might add, could have killed people out there today. |
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Bring on the Endurance season, and some big name DNF's... (I'd love to see the V8 Chumpionship decided @ Winton, thus making the El Grande Finale the flop it deserves to be...) |
8 Nov 2009, 10:23 (Ref:2578144) | #4 | ||
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Can someone recall if the SC boards and yellows were out before Whincup pitted? I think they were and if so what the hell were the drivers doing coming down the straight at full speed ??????? If they were not out then I take the question back.
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8 Nov 2009, 10:32 (Ref:2578153) | #5 | ||
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I've kept quiet on the matter long enough, i cant go on anymore tho....
It did come down to a communication problem.... Sadly race control does not make use of Telstra's 3G Network, and because of this they had poor coverage all weekend on the island.as a result of this all, the message did not get out to the safety car in time as well as all the track marshalls and we all saw the results. so there you go.... |
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8 Nov 2009, 10:32 (Ref:2578154) | #6 | ||
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Well, well, well, the Monty Burns of Australian Motorsport is at it again !
As if his disgraceful efforts of BS Safety Car deployments over the past two seasons havn't been bad enough, today he just proved that it is time for him to either retire, or be replaced. Just to prove how bad this was, CLICK HERE, someone could have died out there today, and all because as a post above this said, Tim-time-to -go Schenken was too busy dithering and forgot where he had put the Safety Car Can anyone pick the difference ? |
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8 Nov 2009, 10:39 (Ref:2578159) | #9 | ||
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What was that safety car even for? I was outside just as it happened.
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Under the current Safety Car format, there is nothing in the rules for the drivers to slow down to a certain speed, so long as they do not pass anyone else and obviously slow when they catch up to the queue behind the Safety Car. When they pit and return to the track ALL drivers go hell for leather to catch up to the Safety Car so they are not disadvantaged in track position. I feel for the poor volunteer marshals that are trying to clean up an incident on the track only for these professional drivers to whiz passed them at 200km/hr. Last edited by B!tchie Renault; 8 Nov 2009 at 10:45. Reason: spelling!!! |
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8 Nov 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2578173) | #11 | |
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was jamie that far ahead of the other cars to be in the lead after his pitstop ?
you have to wonder if someone else was robbed of a win |
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8 Nov 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2578180) | #12 | |
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jamie passed the pit entrance (as did rick kelly) before the safety car was on the track, the others pitted at this time.
The safety car came out after Jamie went passed pit exitand then he pitted, so the safety car had to wait until Jamie came out of the pits (around 50 seconds). It picked up the correct leader, no doubt at all, but it explains why it had to wait |
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8 Nov 2009, 11:01 (Ref:2578182) | #13 | |
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They are under safety car aren't they supposed to be prepared to stop at any time!? Too much storming around at warp speed under full course yellow perhaps?
How did Jamie manage to retain the lead despite not pitting immediately? Lucky the safety car didn't zip right out in front of him on the first time past the pits. |
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8 Nov 2009, 11:04 (Ref:2578184) | #14 | |
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you just explained how v8 fireworks
if the safety car had have come out before he went past he would have lost the lead. but because it didnt, it was really like a pit stop at race pace except one lap latter than the rest |
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8 Nov 2009, 11:40 (Ref:2578203) | #16 | ||
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VESA wont do that, it is logical and might ruin the ENTERTAINMENT!!!
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8 Nov 2009, 11:43 (Ref:2578205) | #17 | |
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why is it logical? I see no adavantage
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8 Nov 2009, 21:25 (Ref:2578435) | #19 | |
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Tim - help fix a race? Never - wouldn't happen in a pink fit....Oh sorry - wrong Tim (someone talk to HRT or Grech sometime and see if they feel the statute of limitations has gone by yet...)
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8 Nov 2009, 21:40 (Ref:2578445) | #20 | |
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Been saying this for ages ... it is NOT a safety car. It is a Close-Up-The Field c
Car and sooner or later there will be an accident due to this ridiculous blight on motor sport. Every time they deploy it there is another incident. High farce! The compulsory pit stops and "Safety?" Car add more danger to races than there EVER was before. Not only that, they turn the races into a lottery. GET RID OF IT NOW and put in Yellow Light areas with transponder monitoring of set speeds through that area. |
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Was the Safety Car stalled by an chance??
If you watch the replay of the incident on YouTube you see the lights turn off all of a sudden. My 10c worth, there are two things that should never be done by a Safety Car; 1. It should never drive straight out into the middle of the race track (Pau, WTCC). 2. It should never ever come to a complete stop, slow it down to a crawl by all means, but never stop the thing on the track. I also believe the SC should be under the direct control of the tracks Race Control radio network and not on the VE$A channel as it is at present. |
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Don't understand why everyone doesn't follow the american example: Throw the yellow, get everyone slowed down and then put out the safety car. Sticking it on track waiting for cars to arrive at full chat is just asking for trouble.
This one is a pretty awful example, and very fortunate that a serious incident was avoided. |
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8 Nov 2009, 22:22 (Ref:2578468) | #23 | ||
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Jamie had past pit entrance when the incident happened (as had Rick and Steve), but the other teams seeing Foire in the wall called their drivers in, thinking this would bring out a safety car. which it eventally did. But Jamie had already passed the pit exit by the time the safety car was out. He pitted that lap, but because everyone pittedeither at that time or before he was still the leader and the SC had to wait for him (in this case stop in a stupid position) The field resumed in pretty much the same order as they were prior to the incident. It sounds like some peoiple here are slamming the safety car for producing entertainment , but expecting the safety car to mix up the field. Hypocrites . |
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May i also say if the 2 knobs in the car weren't aware who the leader is. Why are they driving the SC? One thing you need to know is your leader.. |
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8 Nov 2009, 22:42 (Ref:2578498) | #25 | ||
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maybe the taxi's need a horn, like their street brethren use so often?Jamie could have given them a few sharp beeps and everything would have been rosy (well at least thats what the street drivers think will eventuate in similar circumstances)
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