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21 Nov 2013, 07:51 (Ref:3334675) | #1 | ||
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Loading of vehicles on flatbeds
Incorrect using of: http://youtu.be/y0YY4hHe2A8
Clip from this year's Macau GP. Make sure the vehicle is fully on the bed and that there is no tension in the strops. |
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21 Nov 2013, 09:29 (Ref:3334704) | #2 | ||
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Some recovery marshals seem to think it's acceptable to "3/4 Lift" cars like this.
Not a good idea with all the weight of the engine hanging over the end of the tray. I know of one car where the driver was able to get out of the car after the crash but after it was 3/4 lifted the doors were jammed shut all of a sudden They might save 20 seconds but can do thousands of dollars of unseen damage to the chassis of the vehicle. |
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21 Nov 2013, 10:53 (Ref:3334728) | #3 | |
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Both cars have the same problem - neither is strapped down to the flatbed! No recovery operator should be moving cars that are not properly secured, no matter how much grief is coming over the radio from race control.
The second car (PVDA's) doesnt just worry me because it is hanging off the flatbed. What really scares me is that they appear to be relying on a loaded winch cable attached to the towing eye to hold the car in place. Hands up all those who have seen a towing eye fail... Yes, that would be most of us. Frankly, I wouldn't like to have to explain to the Coroner why either of these cars finished up on top of someone, or why they were not properly secured. |
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21 Nov 2013, 11:29 (Ref:3334738) | #4 | ||
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I think the recovery driver in Macau is Mr Head's little boy Richard....
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21 Nov 2013, 19:43 (Ref:3334904) | #6 | |
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The drivers must be the best behaved I have seen in a lomg time no safety car boards and accompaning yellows, or white flags for that matter.
I notice they only put out the double yellows as the field went past! |
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21 Nov 2013, 20:08 (Ref:3334914) | #7 | ||
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Holy c""p. Have these guys had any training, do you think?
And the marshals just have tabards and T shirts! |
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21 Nov 2013, 21:45 (Ref:3334944) | #9 | ||
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now that the Macau GP and United States GP will not fall on the same weekend, maybe a good time to sign up and have a look-see for myself
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21 Nov 2013, 22:37 (Ref:3334969) | #10 | |
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Scary stuff, could've been some serious injury aswell as the damage to the car there! There's clearly no standard international procedure to secure it? If not there should be
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21 Nov 2013, 22:47 (Ref:3334974) | #11 | |
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Some more of the Macau chaos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsucUeezpZw But we know what toring car drivers are like. |
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22 Nov 2013, 10:45 (Ref:3335151) | #12 | ||
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Excellent stuff !!!
I wonder what the team thought of having their car spread over half the circuit after it had been collected by the breakdown. I was impressed by the standing start speed of the truck !! Shouldn't laugh, but ..... |
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He was wearing a hisvis tabard, therefore he was perfectly safe .....
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Which proves the point of what I've been saying about safety car flags for quite a while. And what I've been saying about TC driving standards, for that matter. |
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It proves a point about all the stupid "blind" drivers in general |
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Looking from in car footage of the link below there was an upgrade to double yellow on the post prior to the Chilton incident under safety car. Look at the clip from 19mins+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6aVnGZyRFk |
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23 Nov 2013, 08:21 (Ref:3335567) | #20 | ||
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You can see the double waved before the corner
Looks like driver error to me! |
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IMHO, the race should have been red flagged much earlier as moving the car with the rear wheel broken off in a narrow circuit would have required a flatbed or crane on track and considerable time. A bad mistake made by the first driver crashing into the slow moving car (white flags deployed for it?????), compounded by the following drivers not showing suitable precautions. Both the circuit and the drivers to blame. And as for the "marshal" stood in the middle of the track with the cars ploughing towards him...words fail me!!! |
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