Bob's legal threat to CAMS

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Seems like some of the comments I have been hearing coming back from various NSW and Victorian car clubs has been quite close to the mark - threats coming from the Vic CAMS State Manager and Peter Bready (which have been reasonably well documented previously), but now Bob has come out quite actively naming Board Member, Kevin Moore as engaging in, as Bob puts it, most recent gross illegal act.

He has also stated that CAMS should not assume that his recently withdrawn legal action against CAMS will not be reinstated.

Interestingly enough, this time the open letter he has issued has been specifically addressed to the ACCC in Melbourne.

Dr. Rob Nethercote
C/- CAMS
PO Box 147
Caulfield East VIC 3145



Dear Rob,

I think the time has come for you and your CAMS’ staff to stop telling lies about AASA and more particularly, about AASA’s motor sport insurance.

Apart from the history of Peter Bready and your State Manager visiting car clubs informing them as to the dangers of using Calder Park and the danger of using AASA’s Public Liability Insurance plus the most recent gross illegal act by your appointed Board Member, Kevin Moore, should be considered.

Mr. Moore, representing CAMS, stated to Rod Dale who had independently decided to work with AASA, of the dangers of being involved in AASA including Mick Ronke and Bob Jane at Winton and Calder Park and other venues.

Now you of all people should know that the AASA Public Liability Insurance is as good as CAMS’ – better if you take into account that both CAMS’ and AASA’s insurance is virtually from the same source with the exception AASA have the advantage of Marketform.

You are, I am sure, aware that the car clubs are in the process of checking AASA’s insurance policy. They also checked the CAMS policy only to find a significant deficiency in that policy. It is hoped that CAMS will be able to fix this deficiency in the wording of your Public Liability insurance policy. Such is the price of opening a can of worms or as the saying goes, the pot calling the kettle black

It is also a fact that the NSW Department of Tourism, Sport and Recreation has approved AASA’s insurance and the MG Car Club (who has been lied to as all car clubs have been lied to for many years) has taken the trouble to check AASA insurance with their barrister who specialises in insurance and who has advised your office that AASA’s insurance is definitely better than the current CAMS policy. So you are advised to stop endeavouring to damage the AASA tracks with lies.

I can also mention to you that the withdrawal of my legal action against CAMS was a strategic decision and you should not assume that legal action will not be recommenced.

This is an open letter to all at CAMS and to all promoters and to all car clubs, to Mr. Peter Bartels and last but not least, to the ACCC.

Yours sincerely,

Bob Jane

[Amaroo Park]

The disintegration of CAMS power base and CAMS it's self should be the key objective of all competitors and enthusiasts

[storyline]

What I can't, for the life of me, understand is WHY CAMS continues on this tack of trying to fight all the time - instead of using some of the damn good people in the organisation, they seem to allow the one or two people that have their own personal agenda's and axes to grind to run the show.

[KE30MAN]

Like him or otherwise, Bob certainly doesn't back down does he?

[Razor]

Not wrong there mate

[pete55]

What round are we up to now.

[Amaroo Park]

How much longer before CAMS finally goes under? Bob is doing what has needed to be done for 50 years. Throughout there history CAMS has tried to rule by threat and fear.

[Silent Number]

unfortunately bob says publicly what cams say behind clasped hands to their mates

[Robert Ryan]

Proof of the Pudding is what AASA sanctioned series(AMRS) can dish out compared to the CAMS series.

[1200Datto27]

I don't think that CAMS needs to go under (some people have just gone ) they just need to have a broom sent through the place (especially head office and Victoria) to clear out the problems.

Once this is done, they should realise that;

1, The Australian MS scene is not big enough for both of them to be acting the way they are.
2, The Australian MS scene is big enough to let both of them exist in competition with each other (improving it even) but I could see CAMS taking more of the high end stuff like the V8's, F1, etc. And AASA looking after the grass roots/state level competitors
3, Both should recognise each others credentials, and stop harrassing MS competitors and officials who want to use their own knowledge/experience to make the choice as to where they compete/officiate.
4, The staff at both places should accept that they are there to serve the MS public, not the other way around.

I think that if this could occur, then MS in Australia could really take off.

[johnny yuma]

Originally Posted by colinbond

How much longer before CAMS finally goes under? Bob is doing what has needed to be done for 50 years. Throughout there history CAMS has tried to rule by threat and fear.

If you use "there" instead of "their" and pretend to be Colin Bond you have no credibility.Now me I really am Johnny Yuma and I'm old enough to be your old man.Before you were born Bob Jane,an ex-boxer,jobbed one A.Moffat in the Warwick Farm pits.That is not who I'd like to see in a senior admin position in motorsport either.

[mixxer]

Shouldnt this thread be called "Bobs 163rd legal threat to CAMS"

KE30MAN do a search on these forums for how many times he hasnt backed down in the last few years.

[storyline]

Originally Posted by johnny yuma

If you use "there" instead of "their" and pretend to be Colin Bond you have no credibility.Now me I really am Johnny Yuma and I'm old enough to be your old man.Before you were born Bob Jane,an ex-boxer,jobbed one A.Moffat in the Warwick Farm pits.That is not who I'd like to see in a senior admin position in motorsport either.

No instead we have an ex-F1 driver who never made any impact other than managing to get himself dsqualified (for well do a search to find out why), yells and screams at people when he can't get his own way in race control and pit lane, thinks he is still an F1 driver when on the road (ask the people who were in the Tarago with him coming out of Brisbane Airport some years ago when he wrote the van off before he even left the airport precinct), and doesn't realise just what his attitude has done to his credibility around Australia's race tracks.

At least with Bob you know where you stand - with the 'other guy' you can feel the knife going into your back - slowly!

[Robert Ryan]

No instead we have an ex-F1 driver who never made any impact

He was THE driver who got Formula Ford established as a catergory and was one of it's orginal stars, in England. As a F1 driver true nothing really.

[storyline]

Believe I recounted the story from a recent Gold Coast event where some new American officials were being introduced to one TS in Race Control at the start of the event - TS introduced himself as 'Hi, I'm Tim Schenken - ex Formula 1 driver'.

The American looked at him, completely dumbfounded and sort of said 'Hi'.

Afterwards when talking to other Australian officials after Schenken had left he remarked along the lines of 'So what has bening an ex F1 driver got to do with anything - he was **** then, he's still **** now!'

[KE30MAN]

Mixxer, but on the third day he rose again...

I will be honest. Bob ****s me. He has turned a very good South Australian motor racing venue into a disintergrating waste of space to the detriment of competitors just to prove a point.

But that doen't mean I don't admire his intestinal fortitude. I believe the AIR situation is in the courts as I type...

[storyline]

Why would it be 'in the courts' when he has already announced that he will be running race meetings at AIR again in 2006.

Or is someone trying to stop him from running meetings there?

[cav]

I have heard there are a lot of categories now looking very closely at the AAA and I wouldnt be surprised if a stack more move away from CAMS next year. I heard that several of the major classes at the V8 events are going to dump CAMS next year.

[Kerri]

Originally Posted by storyline

Why would it be 'in the courts' when he has already announced that he will be running race meetings at AIR again in 2006.

Or is someone trying to stop him from running meetings there?

Be patient Nigel, all will be revealed soon

[Robert Ryan]

Strange that is not the Impression tou get reading the book "anatomy of a formula Ford" TS, was the major mover and shaker for the catergory, the driver that moved it forward. It is a US book as well.

[storyline]

Originally Posted by Kerri

Be patient Nigel, all will be revealed soon

This is beginning to sound like the spin that Dandenong Road puts on things when they try to destabilise things to suit themselves!

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by cav

I have heard there are a lot of categories now looking very closely at the AAA and I wouldnt be surprised if a stack more move away from CAMS next year. I heard that several of the major classes at the V8 events are going to dump CAMS next year.

To start with their aren't even several V8 supports in existence. It could, at best, be described as a few. And none of those but a couple of lower classes would dare walk away from AVESCO.

[storyline]

Chucky - I wouldn't put any money on that statement. ONe of the reasons categories such as Formula Ford are not doing so well is because they haven't been able to pay the 'fees' required of them by V8SA for both on track priorities and TV coverage.

One category in particular saw the V8 circus merely as a 'stepping stone' to get themselves into the public eye before they looked at 'moving elsewhere'.

[BlueMax]

Would that be the utes storyline or something else.

[storyline]

No - think of something smaller and appealing to the crowds (much to TC's displeasure)