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I'm a fan of GM racing and Pontiac, Banner Engineering, and a big fan of Johnny O, but that car is an abomination to sports car racing. I liked the GTO.Rs (hell, I drive one), but hated the idea of it being tube framed. At least they had an LS2. This "thing".....I mean...c'mon.
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I am not sure of GARRA rules (have looked repeatedly), on what criteria is used to determine eligible cars? Is the GTO illegal now that it is gone in the current model ? In their rules it says it is eligible but the new one( GXP.R) is not on the list?? I was thinking this( GXP.R) might be a stop gap for the new 08 zeta platform Camaro/GTO.
Or maybe the Soltice Coupe( if they actually do a factory version) Racing the GTO.R this year I think would have been better results wise. But I guess Pontiac wanted to promote the new G6 GXP model. L.P. |
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The GTO is no longer produced. So Pontiac ( BIG sponosor) does not want it raced.
so the GXP.r is a hybred Pontiac Grand Prix GXP Last edited by AU N EGL; 8 Jan 2007 at 23:04. |
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The GXP.R is just a reskinned GTO.R. The GXP.R is actually intended to look like a G6, which is front drive and only available with a V6. It doesn't get much more Nascar than that.
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Exactly Hamilton. As soon as I saw the announcement of GT tube frames all I could think was the France family is making NASCAR sportscar racing. All the cars will be the same and just hang the different skin on it. Just hoping Porsche says go screw yourself and pulls out of GT and then throws all the money they can to crush all the DPs. But I'm sure they will find a way to add hp to the Pontiac(Corvette) engined DPs anyway to keep GM and Riley happy and in the series.
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When I first saw the GXP.R, I figured they would at least keep it a V6 like the production car, even if I knew it had to be RWD. But I guess that's why you don't actually see the words "G6" anywhere on it.
It's a crap deal to me to use a car that bears no real mechnical resemblence to its production version. |
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Yeah, I know that about NASCAR. I just hate to see something like that happening in sportscars. I want to cheer on a car that's like it's production counterpart, not a body template.
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Welcome to IMSA... They where allowing tube frame GT cars way before Grand Am existed. How many of those GT cars in the '80s (Cougars, Celicas, fiero's, 240sx's etc) do you think where Unibodys? I doubt many where. Tube frame GT cars have been in use as long as sportscar racing has existed.
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I never particularly liked those cars either.
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A lot of European class flowing through this thread.
When are you people going to figure out the U.S. motorsports market does not support big-money factory backed racing? Low-cost racing is what the teams wants and close-competitive racing, by any means necessary, is what the fans want. It may not be your type or racing, you may not like it, but at least you should have the respect for the men and women who build the series, both, in the garages and in the offices. |
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Huh? I don't get why all you guys are bent outta shape about the car. I remember when Leighton came to Trans Am -- we heard the same "outrage" at him running what was essentially a Busch car there. But it was legal for the series. I expect it's the same for Daytona. Heck, probably more so, since the Frances own Grand Am and at the time Leighton was running in Trans Am it was owned by SCCA.
Disclaimer: I do have a soft spot in my heart for Leighton Reese, ever since he trudged over to our station after a Trans Am crashfest at Long Beach (still in his driving suit, and not a mechanic or hanger-on in sight) and plaintively asked if we'd seen the hood of his car. It had been lost in a last-lap restart melee and it was the only one he had. You gotta hand it to a guy who doesn't send a minion out to look for something he himself has lost. Interesting choice for Johnny O. Hope it works out. keke |
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Think thats about long enough of a post just to rant a little so I'll let somebody else yell back at me now. And yes I do hate the new DPs and the DP looking CoT concept of NASCAR. |
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Professional Drivers go where the money is to pay them to drive, not by car choice or seriese choice.
If a driver has a contract with a manufacture, then where ever the manufacture whats him to go, he goes and races. If some ppl on forums had professional driving/ racing skills, and had an offer to drive in a race for a small team, just to get started, I bet they would do it. Not eveyone can drive for the top teams. |
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2005 Pontiac GTO.R's For Sale $450,000 Status: Available Two Pratt & Miller "Prep 2" chassis, perfect condition. These are the championship winning cars and includes a full compliment of GTO.R spares and equipment. No compromises- well over $1 million invested. http://www.theracersgroup.com/shop/car.php?id=19 The GXP.Rs are brand new cars and are smaller then the GTO.R |
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No one's saying the drivers shouldn't race them. Just that us fans don't like the look of them or the concept behind them.
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I'm fine with the prep2 cars. I like the look of the old GTO and GTU cars - though I've never seen one in reality as I am to young and life on the wrong side of the pond - and they kinda remind me of those cars. So no problem here with tubeframes.
And about the engine being "wrong": *cough* BMW M3 GTR *cough*... |
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