C'arn on 'olden!

mmciau · 24 Jan 2005, 21:01 (Ref:1208913)

C'arn on Holden! Give me a better year in 2005!

All the wannabe Ford supporters have come out of the woodwork here at work and are giving me heaps!!!

It's relentless!!

Mike

buza · 25 Jan 2005, 00:10 (Ref:1209094)

They only come out when they are wining
so after the clipsal 500 they should be
back in hidding for a long long time hopefuly

marcus · 25 Jan 2005, 05:04 (Ref:1209184)

Im a Holden fan.

So a serious question here.

Do you think Skaife and HRT will have a better 05 compared to 04 ?

can mark get out of the way of spinning cars , can he stop hitting things he really shouldnt hit ?

I hope so to a degree , I dont want HRT to dominate but such a good team had a shocker in 04 , I hope 05 is better for them.

so if they go the way they went in 04 , who would be the top Holden team in 05 ?

PWR ?

ex KMart racing ?

Rogers motorsport ?

it will be interesting to see ??

buza · 25 Jan 2005, 05:08 (Ref:1209187)

I don't think skaife can have a worse year
i also think GRM will supprise this year
Go HOLDEN

Conrod Kieron · 25 Jan 2005, 05:36 (Ref:1209198)

With all the changes, I can't see any Holden team seriosuly stepping up to the plate this year. I think HRT will be the best chance.

PWR will be running the new engines this year together will full blueprint chassis so will have to get there heads around this.

CPR - who knows if they will even front up at the moment, but last year there main car wasn't a consistant top three runner so more development required.

Kelly - Similar situation to PWR, is either R Kelly/Tander good at chassis development though? will they have a decent budget?

GRM - Just arn't fast enough even though an early adopter of full VY spec chassis.

So HRT are the most stable Holden team and have shown they have quick full spec VY's that just need consistancy as a race package and Skaife will hopefully drive more consistantly.

smokinJ · 25 Jan 2005, 08:15 (Ref:1209261)

i reckon tkr and pmr will have a go this year
with draper building their engines

James63 · 25 Jan 2005, 08:50 (Ref:1209281)

At this stage I don't see kelly racing as been a threat....I think PWR will be the one to beat...

rdmdog · 25 Jan 2005, 09:03 (Ref:1209286)

When the engines are on line, Tasman will be there!

MRJUCY · 25 Jan 2005, 10:28 (Ref:1209340)

Honestly looking at the changes to teams & drivers I'd say overall Holden look weaker at the start of this year then they have for a long time but it only takes one to become champion I guess.

StuiE · 25 Jan 2005, 13:51 (Ref:1209548)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmciau

C'arn on Holden!

Doesn't that mean 'Come on on Holden?'

Mattracer · 28 Jan 2005, 10:31 (Ref:1211874)

PWR/SCAR start the season with the 18 degree Chev then switch to Perkins Aurora engines according to AA. Depends on how HRT start off the year. If HRT get a good start and score good points, then even if PWR do well, then there is the new engine coming on board which could well take some adjustment period before they find their feet. But seeing how fast PWR have become a major player at a big table, maybe don't count on it. The points system is the key-all the drivers are referring to it- any slip costs a lot. Murphy has everything he needs on paper, coming team, good funding, No1 status, engineers who he knows well, top shelf driver bar none. Skaife also has the goods, technical finesse and sorting nous, unrivalled speed really, top level team with "sorted" staff and good resources. All against Ambrose, Ingall and SBR...

Dodgy Dave · 29 Jan 2005, 16:00 (Ref:1212675)

Holden will win when they get a few more Ford parts, they already use a Ford front suspension and an engine that is a coppy of the windsor.

Don't anyone give me any **** about Holdens dominating before project blueprint. This only occured as a result of Holden Being overcompensated with a better wing package to offset Chevs **** week engine and Holdens inferior Macpherson strut suspension.

Armco Bender · 29 Jan 2005, 18:29 (Ref:1212726)

Sorry guys,but its going to be another year of misery and disapointment for the Holden brigade,Ford should have the championship sewn up by mid season and I'm predicting a massive Fordwash at Bathurst,at least the first 6 places.

rdmdog · 30 Jan 2005, 05:13 (Ref:1212953)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattracer

Skaife also has the goods, technical finesse and sorting nous, unrivalled speed really, top level team with "sorted" staff and good resources. All against Ambrose, Ingall and SBR...

Remind me how Skaife did in his last meeting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodgy Dave

Holden will win when they get a few more Ford parts, they already use a Ford front suspension and an engine that is a coppy of the windsor.

Don't anyone give me any **** about Holdens dominating before project blueprint. This only occured as a result of Holden Being overcompensated with a better wing package to offset Chevs **** week engine and Holdens inferior Macpherson strut suspension.

Remind me also how well the Ford designed, in their super dooper US windtunnel Aero package went? And the reason behind the Chev being fitted to the Holdens was Ford's claim that they needed their US sourced alloy headed engine!!

Flameho · 30 Jan 2005, 07:04 (Ref:1212987)

Let's be honest:
How many people will credit Holden when they STILL haven't got their chasis and engine combo's sorted after 2 YEARS of allowable integration time frame. All we're going to see is another year of free test days for them to sort out their engine/suspension/chasis/supply issues. It a shame, a farce and a disgrace!

rdmdog · 30 Jan 2005, 07:35 (Ref:1213000)

Isnt the chassis sorted?

The engine though is a different matter.

**GTRMagic** · 30 Jan 2005, 07:47 (Ref:1213004)

How many people in the general population will know and/or understand the issue anyway....

mmciau · 30 Jan 2005, 08:22 (Ref:1213011)

GTRMagic,
Very few understand the intricacies of motor racing - they only attend to be part of the glitterati and stillettorati

Mike

**GTRMagic** · 30 Jan 2005, 08:30 (Ref:1213012)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmciau

GTRMagic,
Very few understand the intricacies of motor racing - they only attend to be part of the glitterati and stillettorati

Mike

Isnt that the reason we all like it too

Dodgy Dave · 30 Jan 2005, 13:20 (Ref:1213143)

In response to rdmdod. What about the original aero package that suited the AU Falcon that wasn't allowed in the name of parity, and how Ford had bugger all time to develop an alternative package instead.

Look at the Konica series now that the AU has been allowed a decent aero package, there's barely a holden in sight.

Remember when this series started in 93 before the parity review commitee interfered, The Falcons trounced the commodores and boy did the holden teams whinge.

Grimace · 30 Jan 2005, 23:40 (Ref:1213442)

Are the old 18 degree Holden V8 engines STILL eligible fro 2005??????????????

If so ----it makes a mockery of Project Blueprint.

ARE THEY????

pete55 · 31 Jan 2005, 00:05 (Ref:1213455)

If it is true that the old 'Chev' engine is still elligible and i hear TC or any of his cronies whingeing about inconsistancies, i'm going to scream. IMHO if you have an organization that is inconsistant and in a shambles all those around or associated with them will be the same.

Grimace · 31 Jan 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1213693)

I meant Chev 18degree-as used still in some V8 Supercar Commodore s(Not Holden doh!-Larry was the last to use that one!)

PROJECT BLUEPRINT should now in season 2005 be fully implemented -no exceptions-years have passed since it was rubberstamped

Rob 18 · 31 Jan 2005, 20:52 (Ref:1214075)

Spud seems to think that he'll be running an 18 degree Chev this year untill the Perkins Aurora's come on stream..

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