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2013 French HGV ECOTAX
Apologies for posting this on Historic Racing today!
So what does anyone know about this? My research suggests that from July 20th 2013 all vehicles over 3.5 tonnes will be taxed on major roads throughout France not in private control and thus covered by Peage. The method of collecting tax will be by a 'geolocation' device fitted to the inside of the windscreen and a pre-opened account with a provider such as Eurotoll to be debited with the costs as they occur. If you haven't got a device and account you will be required to stop at an 'Ecomouv distribution point', pay a deposit for a device and purchase credit to cover your needs. Overhead gantries and mobile patrols will be used to catch any vehicles not equipped with working device. I had to look at the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st........ |
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It's probably for revenge on the UK's intention to start charging foreign hauliers to use Britain's roads. Is this for 3.5 tonnes MGW or gross train weight? Do you have a linky.
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Does this apply to private vehicles with a GVW of 3.5 tonnes or is it strictly commercial vehicles? Likewise how does this square with the EU free movement of goods etc? I guess that if it applies to local as well as foreign vehicles, France will argue that it is not a MEQR.
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Sorry for delay, needed to get back to PC as links from ipad don't seem to work. Eurotoll website here Think it is HGV only but a large van and car transporter could be over the limit. There is a trial in Alsace region next April for over 12 tonners, then in July it rolls out nationally for 3.5 tonnes.
This all came about as for last 3 years have been asking SANEF UK when it will be possible to have an account in UK for a Telepeage Tag. They do them for cars and light vehicles but not trucks... They mentioned the TIS-PL tag will be needed in 2013 and gave me the link to Eurotoll. Looks like their device will work on autoroute as well. Wonder if Mr McKay will know more? ![]() |
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This is indeed an insidious plan to extract more revenue from motorists in France and in typical Gallic style seems to be somewhat short on available detail, cf this year's breathalyser law which has yet to be implemented due to "supply problems". We've had a large box full of the things for 6 months now, they'll be out of date before they get around to enforcing the rules.
As far as I can tell all goods vehicles over 3.5 tonnes gross weight are affected. Mike, whether the French consider your rig a motorhome or a goods vehicle I wouldn't like to say, but I guess they'll go by whatever is on the V5. Likewise, if you tow with a van you might find yourself considered a goods vehicle. The 12 cent/km average charge is roughly the same as the motorway tolls, so expect to see much heavier use of the autoroutes in future. At the moment most French hauliers (and lots of others) prefer to stay on the RN's but once this is introduced they might as well use the motorway. Those empty autoroutes could soon be a thing of the past. We will be using the AS24 transponder to log our mileage, we have used them for tolls for years. If they'll let you open an account it would be better than faffing around looking for a box every time you go to France. Their diesel is generally cheap too. All the bad news is here: http://www.as24.com/AS24/as24-Websit...9?OpenDocument |
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Thanks, Colin. Hope you are getting over the flu bug.
Looking at the map linked from AS24s website, one thing is clear- it will not be possible to get to an autoroute from the usual ferry ports without using a road subjected to the Ecotax regulations! So if this all gets off the ground by July 20th any race car transport from 7.5 tonner upwards will definitely have to comply and maybe large vans like Sprinters towing Dastle boxes also. Running a rig on private UK RFL may exempt it from requirement, but then if you are stopped, having to go through the hassle of arguing your case comes into the equation! I will contact both AS24 and Eurotoll to see if an account can be opened. ![]() |
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As this is mostly administered electronically, presumably if your vehicle is registered as a motor home it wont show up on the database as an HGV and will be exempt? A friend of mine has a 7.5 tonner in such trim, but it may be worth preparing his defence in French to be prepared for the inevitable conversation with a gendarme.
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I guess for a trip crossing France to Spain ot Italy it isn't going to make a huge difference as majority of route will be on privately run Autoroute. It is the hassle of having to get the device, open an account etc or stop on arrival in France, fill in forms, pay deposit and buy credit........ And device isn't self powered- it has to run off truck electrics...... |
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Another nail in the weekend warriors coffin then, they're obviously in cahoots with the FIA !!
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The Euro LAmbretta run is in Provence next summer, their biking laws are ridiculous as well. seems the only way to get round France 'legally' these days is pilled up to the eyeballs on a pushbike!
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Not quite true Zef, the Frenchies send in the Riot Police if they think a cycling team has drugs. Loads of film of hotels being raided and team buses searched.
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So if I have understood this correctly, a motorhome towing a car trailer would be exempt?
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This is like going back to the 70s when we needed permits to travel throughout Europe, the only good thing then was we could get them printed ourselves and combined with 40 ciggys we were fine
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It's going to be a bit of a minefield though, I used to use a Tranny Van without windows in the back years ago and it cost X amount to get through the Dartford tunnel, but when I fitted windows it was cheaper !
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Does this only apply to English registered vehicles? Yet another bonus of German life.
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