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9 Jan 2007, 21:07 (Ref:1810723) | #1 | ||
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Teams from FIA to LMS?
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Racing Box..............GT-1 Saleen Team Modena...........GT-1 Aston Pelbermayr/Proton...GT-2 Porsche any more??? L.P. |
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sorry if im wrong but hasnt team modena been in the lms all season? they did the silverstone fia gt round
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Racing Box isnt really a FIA GT team either, yes they did 1 race but they were hardly a regular entry.
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So, it's actually already a 2006 move from FIA GT to LMS I think. Bramzel is usually really up to date as far as teams and cars are concerned, so he should be able to shed some light on affairs. Quote:
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team modena is now very different from critek AFAIK...
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Im not saying that PSI and Racing Box werent competitve in the outings that they attended at their home rounds, but I dont really think they would be competitve all season long. |
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9 Jan 2007, 21:57 (Ref:1810774) | #8 | |
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If anything, there's more quality in depth in the LMS GT field.
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There is? How do you work that out JAG? I really would be very interested to know. From where Im sitting though the FIA GT Championship has more quality and quantity than the LMS. Thats not to say that some of the LMS teams arent better than some of the FIA GT teams, but overall the FIA GT Championship has the edge.
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Let's just wait and see what the first race of the season brings for both series shall we? The entry lists for both series should make for interesting viewing. Yes theres a possibilty that the LMS may have more teams, but whether or not they are better is a differnt matter. Personally I beleive the FIA GT teams are of a higher calibre. The main reason that the LMS is attracting teams at the moment is due to the fact that the calender is mainly European and the budget required is far less of that than the FIA GT Championship.
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Yes but considering they were never really in FIA GT they arent taking it from FIA GT into the LMS. they are however taking it from Italian GT to the LMS.
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10 Jan 2007, 00:53 (Ref:1810879) | #14 | |
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LNT, Oreca, Modena, Alphand, Larbe, GPC for starters.
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Okay firstly, all of the above teams were in the LMS last year as well as well as the FIA GT Championship in some cases.
If however you were comparing the level of teams FIA GT has teams exclusive to them who are more than a match for the teams in the LMS. How about these for teams who only compete in FIA GT. Vitaphone, BMS, GPLK, Zakspeed, AF Corse, JMB Racing. |
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It's undeniable though that there are less teams in FIA GT1 than their were a few years ago, and the GT1 class in LMS has grown.
That said - GT2 has developed well in both series as well. My personal view is whereas before we had one series more GT, the other prototype based - we now have two series with very strong GT classes considering the number and spread of events (that there are more FIA GT events over a wider area, whilst LMS now has it's strong GT categories for it's fewer European events). Can't see anything wrong with that. As for how long that will stay that way is another matter. Obviously with the many rule changes in FIA GT, 2007 will be something of a first time for many teams to assess running costs, competitivity and interest - and not till much later in the season will it be clear if this mean's teams will flock to or from the series. A balance of teams in each series is good anyway surely? We wouldn't want all the bad ones in one? |
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Indeed, GT2 developed quite nicely in the recent two years or so.
It is undeniable that the FIA GT has strong and professional teams, and while I am one of those that perceives a slowly developing shift towards LMS, I do think that the FIA GT1 still has a (small) upper hand on the LMS ones. But, should the bigger manufacturers in LMS pitch in and look after professional and extensive TV coverage to make their racing efforts worth it in terms of intended promotion, then I can see the major FIA GT teams jump ship at some point. FIA GT TV coverage is a joke right now, especially in Germany, which has to be a developing country according to the way it is (not) prioritized on a level with, say, GB or Italy. |
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satorian - From the horse's mouth???? Nearly a year ago maybe!!!!
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I perceive the FIAGT Championship to be a series in decline, almost in freefall. The teams are voting with their feet to the benefit of other series. FIAGT has lost it's focus and much of it's credibility as the pinnacle of GT sportscar racing.
The Le Mans Series doesn't need more teams, car counts are spiralling upwards and in that respect the Series is thriving. It's going to be a very long and difficult uphill struggle for the FIAGT over the next few years.......... |
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Perhaps one of the most significant moves is the Proton/ Felbmayer squad - Three GT2 cars in Le Mans Series.
These guys have raced in FIA GT since 1997 - That cannot be good for FIA GT The reality on Racing Box is that they were very seriously looking at a Maserati entry in FIA GT but have opted for Le Mans Series - The fact that they have done the analysis and decided to go that way is a worrying precedent for FIA GT. |
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The Felbmayer situation may simply have been driven by them being fed up with getting panned in GT2 for so many years and have finally decided to go and play in a series with longer races for their fun! |
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There will doubtless be snakes and ladders here but GT1 seems to be struggling for numbers worldwideby comparison with (for instance) LMP2 - With two major European series (and now very few other European avenues to go and play in GT1) I think we are going to see things polarising very rapidly.
The late move to invite FIA GT winners to Le Mans was very interesting - as were the machinations around FIA GT and Le Mans Series links with Interlagos. I can't remember a year where there was more news around at this stage in pre-season but astonishingly the vast majority is in prototypes - GT1 is very quiet indeed. |
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The bigger teams like Vitaphone may well move over to the LMS, possibly with a prototype, but FIA GT has to worry equally about Euro GT's (the new series that's covered by Eurosport).
They appear to be following the traditions of BPR GT with privateer friendly regs, TV coverage and calender. You can run cars that are not fully homologated to ACO/FIA regs and be relatively competitive, as the series is not attracting the biggest teams and manufactuers there appears to to be a happy balance . Last edited by JAG; 10 Jan 2007 at 18:36. |
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