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24 Jun 2007, 21:04 (Ref:1945733) | #1 | ||
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Snatch and recovery at Oulton Park
I know snatch veh's are used at other tracks so why does it take so long to do the same thing at Oulton Park ? is it that the drivers are not trained and is it time that the marshal's took over this vital work ( with the right training ) and why does it take so long to recover any cars that have come to greif in the cat litter?? is it me just getting old and everything seems to take longer to do????
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24 Jun 2007, 21:14 (Ref:1945739) | #2 | ||
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It doesn't help that certain race series don't want anyone touching their cars other then there own specially-trained teams.
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Thought circuits had to have special licences to perform snatching, or am I thinking of something else.
Teletubby: I've not experienced BTCC myself, but I hear that it's often a team of mechanics dispatched from the pits down to a car to do the recovery. I think that's what five was referring to. ***DISCLAIMER*** This may be solid bovine (male) effluent. |
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well if they dont want anyone else to touch the cars then they should tell the driver to keep it on the black stuff
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The BTCC relies on the efficiency of the recoveries at each circuit like any other race series, tho some seem more efficient than others. Not only that but standards of tyrewall and armco seems to be variable from circuit to circuit and therefore the clean-up operation can take a very long time. |
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i think the confusion with the teams is this, if the car has to be snatched during a race it is down to the snatch teams including the vehicle drivers and marshals to get the car shifted. when it is being recovered at the end of the race some of the btcc teams will send team members to bring the car back in with the circuits recovery team.
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24 Jun 2007, 22:11 (Ref:1945796) | #9 | ||
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Ok, to answer the original question, the reason is one of those licensing things - snatch vehicles can only be used at tracks where there are live TV cameras. Silverstone and Donington both have permanent CCTV, but Oulton doesn't have a TV system (except on weekends like the BTCC when cameras are wired in all round the circuit).
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FIT A GOOD STRUDY TOWING EYE A nice simple snatch I thought but oooohhhh no, the towing eye marked on the rear of your car was as soft as cheese and could not be used So we used a spring hanger. A little lift is used to stop a bow wave been created, |
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25 Jun 2007, 12:47 (Ref:1946283) | #12 | ||
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If I'd have meant the BTCC I would have said the BTCC!
I meant that there is more than one driver/team in different series' that almost seem to think we damage cars on purpose, when our sole intention is to get the car (& driver) in a safe position as quickly as possible, be it by snatch, hook, straight tow or brute marshal force (or JCB digger ) If you're pushing on a car to get it out of the gravel or tyre wall, you're don't need to be worrying that the panel you're pushing on will bend and leave you with an invoice for damage from the team We were pushing one car (single seater) when the driver asked us not to push on the front tyres as we might bend the suspension - so we used the rear tyres & wing instead - but the wing didn't look particularly straight after we'd finished and he blamed us for that We've also had to bend/remove bodywork in the past to get to the towing eye that's moved during impact - where it would take extra time to get bodywork off by using allen keys and screwdrivers when Control are hurrying to get the race back on. |
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I have always understood that 'live' snatching can only be carried out at specified Race Circuits (with CCTV), and specified Meetings; authorised by the MSA. The reason for CCTV is that the Operations Clerk must overlook the operation. Disaster could occur if a Manito/JCB suddenly crossed onto the 'black-stuff' in front of a full pack of racers with or without a Safety Car.
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What I fail to understand is why snatches can happen without a safety car IF the circuit (Donington & Silverstone) has cameras BUT NOT if they don't ...???? Does having a camera mean that someone can yell over a radio "watch out"!?? - because, excuse me, ain't that what we're all doing all the time anyway? (By the way, this is assuming no tyre wall contact.)
MSA - please rethink this rule because it didn't half destoy Sunday in terms of action, that is RACING. |
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Basically, Shelagh, if the Clerk responsible, (and it could be delegated) can see the whole scenario, he/she can guide the Manito/JCB operator via the two way radio, when it is safe to move and in what direction. I repeat from my previous post that you do not want a Competitor hitting the snatch vehicle!
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But back on topic, I guess it's all up to the MSA, they will need to amend the circuit operating license to permit snatching, also don't forget that at some circuits it is the marshals that do the recovery and snatching, and yes there is regular training. But i'm sure if you spoke to most drivers they consider us just hooligans who want to break cars. and for the record it's very rare for a towing eye to break, the eye is usually in perfect condition it's just what it attached to that gives way. |
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No thanks you keep it Al . the bed is around 6 feet deep and it is not gravel as such its called litag (I bet the spellings wrong)
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6ft! Bloody hell if I went in any faster it would have buried me and the car, is that stuff unique to Silverstone as I have been into it several times there but have not seen anything quite like it elsewhere? I also remember a guy that had a turbo twin cam 216 going in and he had no cam belt cover fitted, one of those big stones got between the belt and the pulley and lunched the motor!
Yes I understand why you would not let me back out on the track when I see exactly how much of the stuff was still on board. |
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So if circuits require a licence to have snatch teams,are the people who operate the snatch vehicles trained in motorsport snatches or are they outside recovery crews hired in for recovery.
If the latter,should circuits look at training people for this job due to the urgency of removing the vehicle. Or do they think `Snatch` was just a fancy name given to the operation ? |
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