No more Nurburgring! ?

[Marbot]

The FIA are going to discuss whether or not this race will be kept on the calendar.Its motoring club (ADAC) is the one that said it would have nothing to do with the FIA while ever MM was still its President.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70141

[Dead-Eye]

"the ADAC-controlled Deutscher Motor Sport Bund E.V. (DMSB)"
Interesting wording, and not true. It's controlled by all German auto clubs, so by removing it from it's position and installing the AvD (can they actually do that?), they'd probably change nothing.

Besides, breach of contract with the Nürburgring probably wouldn't go down too well either

[Nicholosophy]

Should be interesting to watch...

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

"the ADAC-controlled Deutscher Motor Sport Bund E.V. (DMSB)"
Interesting wording, and not true. It's controlled by all German auto clubs, so by removing it from it's position and installing the AvD (can they actually do that?), they'd probably change nothing.

Besides, breach of contract with the Nürburgring probably wouldn't go down too well either

Yes I wondered about the wording too.
Most probably it is referred to Herrmann Tomczyk in his position as the DMSB president and ADAC member.

[Helmpflicht99]

The ADAC wants Hermann Tomczyk (Father of DTM-Driver Martin Tomczyk) on MM Position. And with the Scandal about MM the ADAC has seen his Chance to put him into this Position.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Andy77

Yes I wondered about the wording too.
Most probably it is referred to Herrmann Tomczyk in his position as the DMSB president and ADAC member.

...who has recently stepped down from the DMSB presidency. His successor (Torsten Johne) apparently is an ADAC man too, though.

[Down F0rce]

What will happen if the Nurburgring gets dropped? Neither it nor Hockenhiem have the funds to stage a F1 race every year, hence the swapping system they have now. Who will Hockenhiem swap with, if anyone? Maybe this could be a way in for Silverstone (I don't think Donny is going to happen) or Mangy Cours.

[duke_toaster]

In an interview on Five Live, Bernie said that he (words to the effect of) wouldn't touch Silverstone unless they RAF were to level the place and start again.

Other venues for F1 in Germany? Lausitzring would need some work but could be done, as could Ochersleben. There is always the street circuit option, I imagine.

[johntt]

Originally Posted by Down F0rce

What will happen if the Nurburgring gets dropped? Neither it nor Hockenhiem have the funds to stage a F1 race every year, hence the swapping system they have now. Who will Hockenhiem swap with, if anyone? Maybe this could be a way in for Silverstone (I don't think Donny is going to happen) or Mangy Cours.

It will go to a far eastern pseudo-democracy with lots of public money to burn and where there will no pesky spectators to worry about as Bernie would have made his money already from the massive sanctioning fee.

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

In an interview on Five Live, Bernie said that he (words to the effect of) wouldn't touch Silverstone unless they RAF were to level the place and start again.

He said that? He clearly has no respect for the history of the sport at all. The sooner that greedy, bitter moron snuffs it the better.

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

...who has recently stepped down from the DMSB presidency. His successor (Torsten Johne) apparently is an ADAC man too, though.

Oh I haven't heard about that. Well, it does not change too much in the game.

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by johntt

He said that? He clearly has no respect for the history of the sport at all. The sooner that greedy, bitter moron snuffs it the better.

I didn't remember exactly what he said - the "RAF level the place" was my phrasiology, not Bernie's. What he did say was that if Donington were to default on his contract it would mean no British GP.

I apologize profusely for misquoting the poison dwarf, nor not making it clear that I was paraphrasing.

[Charlies]

The RAF can't level Silverstone to the ground; that would be considered Government support, and you can only get that if you're an idiotically expensive opportunity to regenerate East London or the Duke of Sutherland seeking to 'rebalance your assets'.

Although I wouldn't miss the current Nurburgring as a circuit surely the contract is with FOM and if the FIA attempted to strip the ADAC of their sporting powers in order to end a separate commercial contract they'd have some form of legal recourse.

My understanding is that Hockenheim receives local government support, and I honestly can't see why keeping the circuit at F1 standards for a race every two years is more viable than hosting the race each season.

As for the race being replaced by a 'Far Eastern pseudo-democracy', when did Bernie's standards get so high?

[chunterer]

Well looking at a pure racing aspect I don't think we'd miss either Nurby or Hockenheim tracks in their current guise would we, as long as another German race is on the calendar?

Nurby is my personal favourite of the two - I like the way the car hammer into the first left right Esses and then up around the back. I've not been a fan of the current Hockenheim - too short a lap. Even though the old one was boring it had tradition.

As duke toaster mentions Oschesleben is a possibility but please no - far too twisty. A version of Lausitzring could be good though?

I'd go along with the street curcuit argment though, rumours keep popping up about Berlin and all that. Certain people might look at Valencia and later on Singapore and think: 'hang on we could do that here after all.'

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Well looking at a pure racing aspect I don't think we'd miss either Nurby or Hockenheim tracks in their current guise would we, as long as another German race is on the calendar?

Nurby is my personal favourite of the two - I like the way the car hammer into the first left right Esses and then up around the back. I've not been a fan of the current Hockenheim - too short a lap. Even though the old one was boring it had tradition.

As duke toaster mentions Oschesleben is a possibility but please no - far too twisty. A version of Lausitzring could be good though?

I'd go along with the street curcuit argment though, rumours keep popping up about Berlin and all that. Certain people might look at Valencia and later on Singapore and think: 'hang on we could do that here after all.'

Well, parts of the (flat) Nordkurve are still there even though it serves as a lorrie parking lot these days

[wills]

Call me crazy but I think running F1 cars on the oval at Lausitzring would be cool. I mean if Bernie and Max are gonna run the sport to the ground then they might as well do a good job at it.

I remember watching some german touring car races on DSF on that street circuit in Berlin and I must say that circuit might actually put a good show. Would be very interesting to see F1 cars take on those nasty chicanes on the backstraight!!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by wills

Call me crazy but I think running F1 cars on the oval at Lausitzring would be cool. I mean if Bernie and Max are gonna run the sport to the ground then they might as well do a good job at it.

All the drivers would complain of it being too 'unsafe.'

[Dutton]

I'd love to see F1 have an oval race in the season. There are always a bunch of reasons given why it would be "impossible", but I don't see why it should be impossible.

It'll likely never happen, but I would love to see it.

[Matt]

Oh, it most certainly IS possible.

"We go too fast!" BULL. Indycar goes faster.

"The walls are too close." BULL. I guess Indycar drivers have bigger balls than you do?

"We don't have the correct tires!" Get them made then.

"What if it rains?" Oh well, you wait another day.