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25 Mar 2011, 10:03 (Ref:2852931) | #1 | ||
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After watching practice with the drivers getting used to being able to use the adjustable wing everywhere. I was wondering why simply limit the wing a certain circumstance only in the race before even seeing it's effect in a race when they can use it everywhere?
They are a replacement for the F-duct, which they thought enabled overtaking and they could be used anywhere so why not use this wing in the same way. I don't see the problem with trying that for a race or two and if it doesn't help overtaking then they can limit it. At the moment it seems like a complete gimmick to artificially help the guy behind by giving him a faster car. I don't see why the guy behind deserves this as he obviously hasn't driven as good a race or qualified as well. They don't activate outboard motors on rowing boats to help out a slower crew if one boat falls a length behind! |
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25 Mar 2011, 10:22 (Ref:2852938) | #2 | |
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It's been brought in explicitly to aid overtaking. If every driver could use it at any time under race conditions it wouldn't serve any purpose at all. The defending driver could simply open his slot, cancelling out any advantage gained by the guy behind.
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25 Mar 2011, 10:38 (Ref:2852944) | #3 | ||
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But doesn't it seem completely artificial then? Like playing a computer game and getting a boost because you are falling behind.
How did the F-duct help overtaking, as you could use that anywhere? |
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25 Mar 2011, 13:56 (Ref:2853052) | #5 | ||
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It didn't seem to be helping Vettel get past Alonso in P2 when most teams were simulating race conditions yesterday....
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25 Mar 2011, 17:15 (Ref:2853136) | #6 | ||
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A 'race simulation' in practice, when the teams are trying to get tyre data, aero data, engine data etc etc without breaking their car, or showing their hand too early, is not the place to draw conclusions about the system.
When Vettel is faced with passing Alonso with 5 laps remaining and a win at stake, then we shall see how good it is. Also bear in mind that the Renault engine is underpowered, so Vettel passing Alonso will be much harder than a Mercedes engine passing Alonso. This isn't an issue, as otherwise the Red Bulls will pass everyone and win every race. We can't stop them winning from the front, but we can try to stop them winning from further back!!! |
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25 Mar 2011, 23:30 (Ref:2853294) | #7 | |
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I think they were only simulating the actual positioning of the wing use zone, not the one second rule, so probly both of them were using the wing at the same time - not just the guy behind as it would be in a race
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26 Mar 2011, 13:33 (Ref:2853505) | #8 | |
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They should let them use it whenever in a race. Being unable to defend your position is just outrageously silly.
We did, however, see the downside to ARW today with Sutil having his moment. |
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I like the idea of the ARW, I'm just not sure if this whole "thunderzone" one place on the track thing is a good idea. Perhaps during the race limit it's use to anywhere on the circuit but once per lap (with the lap start/end being the first corner for this purpose)? If it's once per lap it would be tactical like KERS, for example at Silverstone you could use it down the Hangar Straight or on the run down to Brooklands.
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It's only has a downside if you use it the way Sutil did. |
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If you let them use it whenever in a race, then it just cancels itself out. A bit like everyone having an F-duct to use. And as Liuzzi showed, there is a skill to using it correctly when you can use it.
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26 Mar 2011, 15:28 (Ref:2853554) | #13 | ||
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It's clever but very artificial as others have said..
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It's not really clever as such, it is the most last resort piece of thinking in the history of F1.
As duke_toaster said, it would be better if there was a strategic element similar to KERS. I was genuinely shocked when I found out they were limiting it to one straight. You should have to fight to pass your adversary, not effectively be waved past. |
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Let's hope it doesn't lead to too much overtaking. Otherwise the fans will not like it.
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I have created a device which turns my telly off whenever someone uses the adjustable rear wing to make a pass.
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I'm skeptical it will do any good. By midseason you will see it not even being an issue. Just like KERS and the Pirelli tyres.
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26 Mar 2011, 17:36 (Ref:2853624) | #18 | ||
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I am still convinced the best way to improve the show is to put the cars on good tracks.
Interlagos, Spa, Canada always produce corkers regardless of the rules. |
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I've got a similar one which turns my telly off whenever team orders are blatantly used. I suspect that it won't be half as active as your device, however. |
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If only all of those other series would slice a chunk of downforce off of their cars we might not then get the complaints or the gimmicks. |
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26 Mar 2011, 17:55 (Ref:2853638) | #22 | ||
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I told you people would be complaining..
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26 Mar 2011, 18:22 (Ref:2853660) | #23 | |
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Hehehehehe. He used it to good effect there. Was lucky he got away with that.
I wonder if the wing would help with drifting into a corner? I am thinking of a Piquet style around the outside of Senna (in Hungary 1986). Sutil certainly used it nearly that way. |
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What would be wrong with drastically reducing downforce and giving them more powerful engines so that lap times don't blow out, rather than gimmicks? That way the cars would be slower mid corner and we might see more possible overtaking lines (like watching 1000cc motorcycles race, especially if there is not traction control). All said, I actually thought last year was a fantastic season with only one or two tracks that had bad races (ie. Circuit de Catalunya). I think we were 90% of the way last year. If those cars had more restrictions on the front and rear wings, no double decker diffusers and maybe slightly larger engines (or raise the rpm limit, allow more engines per season or have KERS, etc.), I'd be happy enough to let it alone. Last edited by browney; 27 Mar 2011 at 01:32. |
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