Nice little earner CAMS !

[dddlc]

Just finished reading the summary of penalties handed out after Winton - what a top little money making scheme CAMS has got. A quick add up came to about $21,000 in fines - not bad for a couple of days work.

Here's a suggestion - with the money they collect in fines, maybe they can afford some decent stewards !.

[lowdown]

Maybe they could hand some to Murph so he can go and buy a clue. Cause at the moment he doesn't have one.

[Gunslinger]

Lowdown, go bury your head in the sand on the Gold Coast.

[Champ69]

Has Murphy beenm fined for his comments after the race - If he does I will be very ****ed off.

[FalconEL]

The CAMS Head Office Christmas Party should be a beauty this year if they keep that amount of revenue coming in on a regular basis.

Maybe some of the revenue could go back into the system to assist in the reducing of fees for the lower echelon of the sport. Yet again, maybe pigs might fly out of my a#$e!

CD.

[rpolinski]

I'm pleased to report that work on adding the Greg Murphy Annex to the Russell Ingall Wing on CAMS Headquarters is on schedule.

[Jono]

Originally posted by Champ69
Has Murphy beenm fined for his comments after the race - If he does I will be very ****ed off.

What comments did he make after the race?? I missed Sports Tonight, I was too busy celebrating the end result

[GTRMagic]

Originally posted by rpolinski
I'm pleased to report that work on adding the Greg Murphy Annex to the Russell Ingall Wing on CAMS Headquarters is on schedule.

I hope the Crompton Courtyard is also coming along nicely. Cromley too has a CAMS licence, and the comments made on #10, however valid, may also be labelled "bringing the sport into disrepute" by making fun of poor old Colin Bond

The fines over the weekend though were still a problem, the Briggs one, letting a grunt get under a car held up only by its airjacks is lunacy, as well as being outside the regs, while the LRT fire extinguisher man doing something other than hanging onto his extinguisher was more than a bit silly.

Speeding fines continue to make no sense when the single gun is used and different teams get hit regularly. If a team had a maths problem in the ECU speed limiter setting, you would think the same car would be caught each time, but the spread of cars was all over the shop

[Onlooker]

One interesting thing would be how much they got from the other classes,or what they make from a club meet.Are they dealing with real problems or just milking the cow for all it's worth.
Like how would they go with the number of guys working under cars without jack stands at your clubbie event @$5000 a pop?
Sure would take that grin of some bloke racing on wages,or is it less dangerous because of the flash uniforms and TV cameras :confused: :confused: :confused:

[GTRMagic]

Its less dangerous in clubbie events because the teev isnt there to capture every incident play by play

[Onlooker]

You would wonder why they don't have a big permenant display at the pit exit or entry and as the car goes by it displays the speed in both directions.
Take a scanner to the Indy at QLD and you will hear all the drivers calling the numbers back to the crew.
4 0 on the dash 41 on the radar etc.They only fine them in qualifying and the race but in practice you are allowed to do just that and practice.Fine tuning suspension,fuel mapping etc so why not the speed limiter.Most of the pit entrys have the line so far away from the pits that a driver could be on the limiter and checking his speed against the judge,jury and executioner.Teams can see the display on the rear so a form of self regulation would prevail.
Just a thought but hey it doesn't make eco sense does it to allow people to chack if they are breaking the law or not if you are the one recieving the fines.

[GTRMagic]

So is it correct that Cromley got fined $25k by the CAMS crowd for his outburst at the weekend???

[RaceTime]

Originally posted by Onlooker
They only fine them in qualifying and the race but in practice you are allowed to do just that and practice.Fine tuning suspension,fuel mapping etc so why not the speed limiter.Most of the pit entrys have the line so far away from the pits that a driver could be on the limiter and checking his speed against the judge,jury and executioner.Teams can see the display on the rear so a form of self regulation would prevail.

Second point first - sorry but you are so wrong about the 'pit entry line' - they are VERY clearly marked at the pit entry by a red circle with the numbers 6 and 0 inside it spelling out 60 - at the end of pit lane is an equivalent derestriction sign.

As for not fining them in practice - think you should go and look at the list of fines before saying something like this again:

SATURDAY 24 MAY 2003


The following cars exceeded the pit lane speed limit during practice 2:
Car #19, David Besnard - fined $200
Car #6, Craig Lowndes, fined $200
Car #99, David Thexton - fined $300
Car #23, Mark Noske - fined $200
Car #00, Greg Ritter - fined $200
Car #51, Greg Murphy - fined $200


The following cars exceeded the pit lane speed limit during practice 3:
Car #20, Jason Bargwanna - fined $200 for first breach, $200 for second
breach
Car #11, Steven Richards - fined $200
Car #33, Jamie Whincup - fined $200
Car #66, Dean Canto - fined $200
Car #3, Cameron McConville - fined $200
Car #45, Jason Richards - fined $200


The following cars exceeded the pit lane speed limit during qualifying:
Car #8, Paul Dumbrell - fined $200
Car #20, Jason Bargwanna - fined of $300
Car #45, Jason Richards - fined $200
Car #1, Mark Skaife - fined $200
Car #16, Paul Weel - fined $200
Car #9, Russell Ingall - fined $200
Car #15, Rick Kelly - fined $200

[Onlooker]

You must have mis read what I was saying as I was using CART as an example.
CART- don't fine drivers for being over the limit as long as it is with in a reasonable tolerance and they do if it persists or if it occurs during qualifying or the race.Not V8's any dill(even me) can read a press release and relise that got $2700 from just the practice sessions.
2nd mis read point.
Now this one you are way off the track with so listen carefully.
If the V8SUPERCAR body were to place a speed advisory device in the section of track between the line (and sign posts that you so rightly point out are there and have been for many years)then the driver could check his speed whilst making his way to the garage as the line is in fact a fair way from the pit apron,he can then tell the crew that it is wrong and they can fix it before he goes out and so it is checked again each time he comes in.By the time the qualifying comes around there should be no excuse for speed ingunless of course he is on a tilt tray where by his limiter will not be activated and he will no doubt bed fined accordingly

[RaceTime]

Got a bee in your bonnet tonight have you?

There will NEVER be any device placed in pit lane to assist drivers determine their speed whilst the current management of CAMS and V8 SoupCar race control is in charge.

They have openly stated, on more than one occasion, they do NOT want this information fed back to the drivers or teams.

(so, how do I know? Because the DATA-1 system has the ability to be able to provide data back to devices that can do just this and it was proposed to have it installed at a numebr of track 2-3 years ago. Inf fact, Barbagallo did install a radar activated speed readout device back in 98 - think that was the year - and it lasted about 2 hours on the Friday before guchi-2-shoes ordered it removed)

[Crash Test]

By the way, the speed limit is 40.

Why bother having a sign? The cars are already on the speed limiter, and if it spikes by a km or two an hour, seeing your speed on a board isn't going to help because you have already done the crime. Be leinient? Why bother having the rules? The pit lane speed thing is always used at QR, and you know straight away, esp if someone is doing a drive through whether or not they have buggered up.

If they didnt want to pay all of the fines in practice and qualifying, couldn't they just recalibrate them to say 35km/h? Shoot, it's not like you have to be as fast as buggery in the pits during practice...

[GTRMagic]

So what of Cromley's fine!! Is it fact or fiction??

I think I might have jinxed him

[RaceTime]

Actually the speed limit sign differs from category to category - which IMHO is absolutely ridiculous - don;t know why TEGA and AVESCO don;t just make them get out and walk instead!

There is another problem which was mentioned at the PI meeting - when wets are on the car the tyre diamter is actually different to a dry tyre - so can and does affect the pit lane speeds they are doing...

[Morris 1100]

What about the times that there is a 60 sign in pitlane when the speed is 40!

[williamsf1]

Im with you GTR, I hope Neil's on wheels doesn't get fined! maybe big TC can pay this one as well??

As a side note the #10 news said they would have some V8 action, or news in the sport section, but it mudt have got bumped at the last second???? hmmmmm....

[RaceTime]

Probably got charged with speeding in Pit Lane...

[Champ69]

Originally posted by Jono
What comments did he make after the race?? I missed Sports Tonight, I was too busy celebrating the end result

He called the stewards a bunch of idiots, which is a fact the stewards proved all by themselfs.

[Champ69]

Originally posted by Jono
What comments did he make after the race?? I missed Sports Tonight, I was too busy celebrating the end result

He called the stewards a bunch of idiots, which is a fact the stewards proved all by themselfs.

[RaceTime]

You do realise that all Australian Stewards are members of a union?

Australian Regional Sorority of Enterprising Stewards...ARSES for short...

[Bomn]

Is that a branch of the Confederated Union of National Timekeeping Specialists.