the cars ?

marcus · 31 Jan 2004, 23:37 (Ref:858277)

so after the court ruling and things are getting in full swing of racing for 2004 I was wondering what cars and engines will be used in 2004.

will they just be the same cars they used in 03 and engines too or are there new cars on the horizon ?

I would imagine there wouldnt be new cars this year simply because of the lateness of everything so its status quo for 04 then is it ?

f1manoz · 31 Jan 2004, 23:42 (Ref:858286)

From what I've read/heard on the grapevine, the chassis freeze continues into this year but hopefully they have new bits and pieces, particularly a new chassis, for 2005.

marcus · 31 Jan 2004, 23:45 (Ref:858290)

yep sounds reasonable doesnt it , I guess 04 is going to be a makeshift year for the series , trying to rebuild and get a foothold again but 05 should be much stronger and once 04 starts to pan out car builders can get a better idea of how the series is going and start taking orders i guess

macdaddy · 31 Jan 2004, 23:46 (Ref:858293)

Something makes me think that a new chassis can still be purchased from Lola, given enough advance time for the order. I would think that the "new" chassis would be identical to the "old" one, though. But there obviously has to be a supply to meet the demand met by crashes.

The Snout · 31 Jan 2004, 23:49 (Ref:858297)

I think this year they will address the engine formula for up and coming seasons. Should be interesting to see where we're going with that. For cost reasons I think staying the same could be a good move.

jjspierx · 2 Feb 2004, 20:35 (Ref:860589)

Well for this year, I agree, stay with the Ford's, but we really need to get multiple manufactures back into CC. And we need to keep the turbo's. They sound better, they attract more high-tech sponsors, and they help differentiate us from that other series. Ford's engines have been great, don't get me wrong, but they rev so low, that they don't sound nearly as powerful as they used too. Seriously, Toyota Atlantics sound almost as mean as the Champcars, or at least that was my observation at Portland last year.

macdaddy · 2 Feb 2004, 20:42 (Ref:860601)

I wholeheartedly agree with the first half of your post, jjspierx.
And I guess I agree with the "low revs" part, too. But the long-lasting engine is, IMO, a sign of things to come. For economic reasons, and not just in ChampCars. Not that I like it, but if it's necessary...

Ac. · 2 Feb 2004, 22:28 (Ref:860745)

You are dead right macdaddy, even F1 is requiring longer engine life.

jjspierx · 2 Feb 2004, 22:41 (Ref:860754)

True, but F1 isn't lowering their rev's to increase engine life. I'm not an engine builder by any means, but I think they can do other things besides lower rev's to make an engine last longer. I think just lowering the revs, was the easiest, cheapest solution.

Omega99 · 2 Feb 2004, 23:12 (Ref:860789)

That's probably true, and it'll be interesting to see if after the R&D and new materials and technoglogy put into it if it actually makes things any cheaper (in F1).

Flatspot · 2 Feb 2004, 23:44 (Ref:860831)

Does Walker not have any "new" Reynards available? Somehow I thought they did. The rulemakers (who are they now?) should really consider letting changes be allowed immediately to the Reynard to get it competative. That is an easy and relatively inexpensive fix to add some variety. I understood that the new aero package was available but it has never been allowed to be put on the car as it was completed just at the time of the freeze and was shut down.

I'm OK with the lower rev engines for right now. The teams need to continue with a stable cost formula now that their is no subsidy. In a oouple of seasons when there are a more manufacturers willing and able to play harder and supply their teams with "factory" engines, crank it up.

Snrub · 3 Feb 2004, 01:10 (Ref:860882)

I thought Walker did have "new" Reynards FS. BTW: I thought "new" Reynards were simply old Reynards with the Renske wing and whatever parts Forsythe developed in 2002?

I have no desire for any change in chasis or engine unless it: 1. Lowers costs. 2. Makes it easier to pass.

SurfaceUnits · 3 Feb 2004, 04:44 (Ref:861010)

Has everyone seen the new car Lola is supplying to the sheik/prince of whatever for his personal racing series. I'm sure someone has a link. Very 21st century-esque from the photo I saw.

Dov · 3 Feb 2004, 04:48 (Ref:861015)

Quote:

Originally posted by SurfaceUnits
Has everyone seen the new car Lola is supplying to the sheik/prince of whatever for his personal racing series. I'm sure someone has a link. Very 21st century-esque from the photo I saw.

From Crash.net: http://www.crash.net/uk/en/picture_v...=26&pid=110731

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