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25 Feb 2004, 15:46 (Ref:885270)
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The Cossie DFV V8 is re-born!
News to warm the heart of fans of a certain era is that Cosworth are to start manufacturing the DFV V8 again - in order to meet the demand from classic racing series!
http://www.pitpass.com/news2/news.cfm?newsid=8698 Whilst we are on the subject - what is your favourite Cosworth DFV engined car? I'll kick off with the Williams FW08 from 1982, that powered Keke Rosberg to WDC. Last edited by Super Tourer; 25 Feb 2004 at 15:49. |
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25 Feb 2004, 15:58 (Ref:885282)
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Lotus 49 or Brabham BT44
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25 Feb 2004, 16:02 (Ref:885290)
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Excellent. TGP goes from strength to strength. IIRC all the cars in TGP have DFV engines except a single Ferrari that appears now and then.
Favourite? I can't argue with your choice. Although i have a soft spot for any JPS Lotus with that engine. Either Andretti era or even better an Emmo car. |
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25 Feb 2004, 16:07 (Ref:885297)
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I wonder how much slower a current GP car would be with a DFV in it. Its still the correct sized engine!
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25 Feb 2004, 16:11 (Ref:885301)
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But too few cylinders, of course.
My favourite DFV-engined car is the car in which it first ran, the Lotus. Zandvoort, Lotus, Jim Clark. |
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25 Feb 2004, 16:11 (Ref:885302)
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Well the latest DFVs had about 520bhp (DFY). Compared with near 900bhp now. That is a fair amount. I guess it weighs quite a bit more too.
It would easily do an entire weekend of a GP though so the single engine rule wouldn't be a problem. Last edited by Adam43; 25 Feb 2004 at 16:13. |
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25 Feb 2004, 17:22 (Ref:885347)
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Was it a DFV V8 in the Benetton of 1994 or another type of V8?
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25 Feb 2004, 17:32 (Ref:885356)
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I believe it was a DFL.(?).
My favourite? Any number of them but the FW06 Williams as the prettiest and FW07 (A,B & C) as the most successful. BTW. Bernd fan. Don't you mean "two" few cylinders? 
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25 Feb 2004, 17:38 (Ref:885358)
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Wasn't the DFL the 3.9 ltr long distance verision that was never too succesful - how about engine type YB for the B94 Benetton ?
It was excellent yesterday to stop at Silverstone for ten minutes to listen to the testing.....even if the noise wasn't DFV |
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25 Feb 2004, 18:03 (Ref:885387)
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The Ford V8 after F1 went atmospheric engines only was the HB. However this was changed for the Zetec-R V8 in 1994 and didn't have a short lettering system (I think).
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25 Feb 2004, 22:45 (Ref:885642)
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After the DFV there was a DFW (1968 engine for the Tasman series).
Then came the DFX for USAC racing in the mid 70's. Then in 83 came the DFY which won one race with Michele Alboreto. When the NA returned to F1 in 87, Cosworth came up with a new engine the DFZ (now 3.5l) and in 88 Benetton (as the works ford team) used the DFR. There was a DFS in CART in the late 80's. The Cosworth DFV were used in F3000 from 85 to about 93. In 89 Benetton used the new Ford HB engine and in 94 the new Zetec-R engine. The HB was renamed ED for the customer teams. |
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25 Feb 2004, 23:00 (Ref:885656)
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Thanks, top info.
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25 Feb 2004, 23:09 (Ref:885665)
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favourite DFV powered car?
There are too many to choose from, so here are my favorites: Lotus 49 Tyrell 003 March 711 Lotus 72 Lotus 79 McLaren M23 Last edited by pirenzo; 25 Feb 2004 at 23:10. |
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25 Feb 2004, 23:15 (Ref:885675)
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How much does one cost?
I remwember an interview with Alain DeCadanet, who said you could buy a DFV for £10K and go racing. And now??? |
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25 Feb 2004, 23:32 (Ref:885697)
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the 67 lotus 49 as i saw it race at the USGP that year.....
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25 Feb 2004, 23:42 (Ref:885702)
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DFV Short Stroke is about £25-35k and a long stroke is about £30-40k
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26 Feb 2004, 07:51 (Ref:885900)
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Should be a DFV on the back of all current F1 cars..................
Best DFV car ;Lotus 72 with Jochen Rindt at the wheel. |
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26 Feb 2004, 10:50 (Ref:886072)
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If I could get an AE86 with a DFV, that'd be mine.
Failing that, I always liked the 72 as a car. Was kinda nifty looking and quick enough.
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26 Feb 2004, 11:24 (Ref:886118)
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i loved the brabham bt49 and the tyrell P34
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26 Feb 2004, 11:30 (Ref:886121)
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DFV's - a real engine
DFV - the original 3.0 litre version.
DFL - long stroke DFV originally for endurance racing DFX - 2.65 litre turbocharged methanol-fueled version (in many forms of bore/stroke) for Indy Cars DFZ - the 3.5 litre version used when the capacity limit increased in F1 The beautiful HB was the 1.5 litre V6 turbocharged engine produced for Ford when F1 went turbo. 1000 HP all weekend and on the bench after qualifying and the race. A real peach! The DFV wouldn't be competetive today because apart from the lack of power the packaging isn't as good as today, and the rear venturiis and engine cover aerodynamics would be ruined. Duncan
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26 Feb 2004, 12:36 (Ref:886190)
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I saw one at the IMS museum and decided that I wanted one. I just hope that the price isn't too outrageous !
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26 Feb 2004, 15:30 (Ref:886366)
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The orginal price was £ 7500 but I suspect the current is much better value - its also quite beautiful to look at on an engine stand
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26 Feb 2004, 18:20 (Ref:886523)
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Faves:
Brabham BT42 (funkier than the lovely BT44) Lotus 72 Ensign N-175 (a really sweey little car with lovely proportions) March 731/741/751/761-I always really liked the sportscar nose on these. Lotus 79-one of the prettiest F1 cars ever-and for Ronnie and Mario. |
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26 Feb 2004, 18:53 (Ref:886549)
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I've just unearthed a CD that came fre with F1 Racing (a long while ago...), that has F1 sounds on it, including the Cossie V8 - both starting it in the garage and on track...!
Bliss... ST |
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27 Feb 2004, 03:23 (Ref:886942)
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Bt-44, M23, Lotus79, M14
The Hb wasn't turbocharged, it came after the turbo era. For example the early 90's Bennettons and senna in the McLaren MP4 in 1993. Bennetton got the new Zetec in 1994 and then swapped to renault for the following year when it became apparrent that 10 cylinders were to rule the day. Ford then transferred their allegiance to Sauber. A DFV could be bought for 7500 pounds from Cosworth in 1968 but this price may have been partially subsidised by Ford. |
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