Slow 2nd car line-ups anyway, so let HPDC's into the 1000!

WebberForWDC · 24 Sep 2005, 03:10 (Ref:1415209)

Slower drivers have still bought their way in they are just in level one cars, such as the 2nd Perkins Castrol car buried in the fence at Sandown for example!

So why not let say 6 to 10 HPDC cars into the 1000, to make a less pathetic sized grid of up to around 40 cars.

For example the Smiths Truck HPDC entry was faster than a number of level one's last year in the 1000. So to say HPDC entries are a "roadblock" simply isn't true, and conversely I would be very suprised if the 2nd L1 Britek car is still on the lead lap after the first stint!
Some of the slower drivers have simply moved from otherwise running in HPDC cars to arranging level one drives for themselves, before prompting causing a safety car anyway (!) even though HPDC's aren't allowed. So you may as well let HPDC's entries in, and don't make it an exclusive club for the drivers who have the contacts to make their way in.

The only other problem is the AVESCO franchise price-inflating money agenda.

Timu · 24 Sep 2005, 06:34 (Ref:1415237)

They could atleast fill the last two spots lefts in terms of Garages, then the boom situation would still be tidy!!!

And also limit it to HPDC teams without any Level 1 or 2 links, Ie the Smiths Trucks entry, make them bid the highest to AVESCO for a gig in the 1000.....

**GTRMagic** · 24 Sep 2005, 06:58 (Ref:1415240)

A pity the Smiths Trucks entry is affiliated with PMM isnt it... (blows a hole in the argument...)

Ellery31 · 25 Sep 2005, 01:49 (Ref:1415705)

Based on the Championship standings I guess SER could run the Kanga car with MacDonald and someone else due to Porter being with WOW Mark Howard could run a Howard car with someone and Smiths Trucks could run. Possibly the Hi Trans entry.

PCR and DJR couldnt run due to drivers being busy with enduros. It would be good to see BJR or DJR field a 3rd car but cant happen I guess.

marcus · 25 Sep 2005, 02:42 (Ref:1415721)

a shame really.

I used to love the privateers (as such) turning up at Bathurst and having a crack at the great race and some did a very good job indeed.

I hope this situation changes at some point in the future to allow others into the field

mjt57 · 25 Sep 2005, 02:48 (Ref:1415722)

What's "HPDC" mean?

marcus · 25 Sep 2005, 02:55 (Ref:1415725)

its the old "Konica series"

now called HPDC (holden performance development class) or something like that

or could be Holden performance driving centre , its something along those lines anyway.

Im still calling them the Konica cars anyway LOL

Razor · 25 Sep 2005, 03:01 (Ref:1415727)

It's now called the Holden Perfomance Driving Centre Development Series

mjt57 · 25 Sep 2005, 03:10 (Ref:1415729)

I'll have to read up on this, but wasn't the Konicas an entry level class for the V8s for both Ford and Holden?

Does Ford have a similar class to HPDC (FPDC?)

Razor · 25 Sep 2005, 03:51 (Ref:1415746)

The HPDC development Sereis welcomes both Ford and GM/Holden. HPDC is only there as a sponsor of the series

mayhem · 25 Sep 2005, 05:09 (Ref:1415761)

Maybe the embarassment of Supercar teams being spanked by supposed second tier outfits is something organisers are trying to avoid?

**GTRMagic** · 25 Sep 2005, 05:12 (Ref:1415762)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Barton

HPDC is only there as a sponsor of the series

Fujitsu has been suggested as replacing the HPDC as naming rights sponsor of this series in 2006

racer69 · 25 Sep 2005, 09:23 (Ref:1415818)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Barton

It's now called the Holden Perfomance Driving Centre Development Series

Holden Performance Driving Centre V8Supercar Series actually

bathurst · 26 Sep 2005, 04:13 (Ref:1416492)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjt57

What's "HPDC" mean?

Holden Poofs Drive Commodores

Kerri · 26 Sep 2005, 05:46 (Ref:1416509)

PMP@bathurst

lcfp2297 · 26 Sep 2005, 06:20 (Ref:1416518)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

So why not let say 6 to 10 HPDC cars into the 1000, to make a less pathetic sized grid of up to around 40 cars.

I'm not against this, but aren't the basic regulations slightly different between the main series and the development series...meaning that to race a car in both support races and the 1000 race would require swapping the car between two configurations (not sure how easy or difficult this is), OR having two cars, OR having 6-10 less cars on the support races?

WebberForWDC · 26 Sep 2005, 06:29 (Ref:1416520)

Well it's 100kg of lead and very limited datas I think. But many operations don't actually have data people etc. anyway so I don't think that's a problem.

I suppose it means a few cars less in the support race, if the support race were to hypothetically not carry championship points.

It might be worthwhile to let all the HPDC runners that think they can qualify, turn up to a pre-qualifying for the race and those that can't run inside say 2:16, aren't allowed in the 1000 km race and must run in a non-points support race.

brendan24688 · 26 Sep 2005, 06:57 (Ref:1416530)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjt57

I'll have to read up on this, but wasn't the Konicas an entry level class for the V8s for both Ford and Holden?

Does Ford have a similar class to HPDC (FPDC?)

Its funny ford actually have a 1, 2 in the championship standings atm.

Rombles1 · 26 Sep 2005, 07:05 (Ref:1416542)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brendan24688

Its funny ford actually have a 1, 2 in the championship standings atm.

I don't think that is very funny at all!

Gaz170 · 26 Sep 2005, 07:32 (Ref:1416560)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

It might be worthwhile to let all the HPDC runners that think they can qualify, turn up to a pre-qualifying for the race and those that can't run inside say 2:16, aren't allowed in the 1000 km race and must run in a non-points support race.

well here is a bloody sensible suggestion, which means that unfortunately it has no chance of happening.

Crowestar · 27 Sep 2005, 09:53 (Ref:1417716)

Bring Back the 55 car grid

WebberForWDC · 27 Sep 2005, 10:11 (Ref:1417738)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rombles1

I don't think that is very funny at all!

I think it's quite amusing.

When they have no other competition some old Briggs BAs, and a couple of DJR BAs can actually win races!

Too bad when you add a field of VZ's and Stone Brothers BA's etc. it doesn't work so well.

I'm perhaps a bit concerned that the Beehag shells aren't condusive to good handling, esp. as all the winning fords are done in house with more customisation of the engineering, as DJR haven't won races for far too long indeed no Beehag teams have.

Belly13 · 29 Sep 2005, 03:52 (Ref:1419572)

AVESCO have rocks in their heads. I heard recently that they wanted the 1000 field to be 32-car restricted. That's ridiculous. Bathurst was always the place where the field was the biggest and the best on an annual basis. I don't see any problem with the HPDC guys having a crack in practice and qualifying, as WebberForWDC suggested.

Sultan · 30 Sep 2005, 23:12 (Ref:1421322)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowestar

Bring Back the 55 car grid

Couldn't agree more!!!!

How can we have such a race without a full capacity grid?!?!?!

deeks6 · 1 Oct 2005, 02:43 (Ref:1421386)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathurst

Holden Poofs Drive Commodores

hey, get over and help me in the aero thread

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