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Croft under threat!!!!! (merged) and merged again!
I have just recieved a press release from the Jack Frost Stages, that was held at Croft Circuit yesterday.
I had to read it several times as I could not believe what I saw. Here are a few paragraphs from the release. Quote:
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This is unbelievable...but was bound to happen sooner or later. I just hope the brands residents don't get hold of this!
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there's a facebook group if anyone wants to spread the word a bit. awareness is crucial.
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I hope this manic bunch of idiots we have in power will sit back and be proud of what they have achieved when the hundreds of thousands employed in motorsport find themselves on the dole to join the rest that have been or will be due to this government's past policys on banking, God help us all. |
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Assuming the noise levels genuinely haven't increased (this is crucial) this should be groundless. The fact they moved into the area knowing the tracks existence and the nature of it's disruption should nullify the court case. Lets hope the appeal is successful and this is overturned forthwith - otherwise I fear Al is right and in years to come this will be the event that we say "turned the tide" against our beloved motorsport.
I wonder if they have got a defense fund set up for donations? I think I'll fire off an email. After all, every little bit helps... |
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heres a bit more on this horrible news
http://www.bikesportnews.com/article...NOISE_LEVELS_1 |
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I assume the house price would have been impacted by the *existing* circuit use, so again - don't understand that side of the argument. Has Croft ramped up it's test days THAT much that it materially affects these people? If I were Croft I'd offer to buy the house in lieu of damages As croft have a mandatory noise limit of 98dba there isn't much else they could do surely? |
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It's a sad indictment of the country we live in. Interesting to see whether a precedent extends to runway 3 at Heathrow.
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I live in Watford and apparently this 3rd runway will impact on the area as planes will approach and takeoff over the town, can I do anything about that? No way!
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National Project, Al. Special planning exemptions granted. Oh yes, rules for the rich and rules for the rest as per usual
The case documentation can be found here: http://www.richardbuxton.co.uk/v3.0/?q=node/334 As previously stated in this thread, they are going for the track day usage. I'd highlight points 67 onwards as particularly interesting for the "moving next door to the track/open pit/firing range" defense..... seems that is no defense at all. |
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It also bothers me that one of the complainants is the ex-wife of Jimmy Wilson, who was largely responsible for getting the circuit back into action back in the Nineties. Is there more to her complaint than meets the eye? Either way, the whole affair stinks and should be fought tooth and nail. |
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And here it is, the 'Miller VS Jackson' case that underpins it all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._Jackson |
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How unique for the motorsport world to fling their arms in the air claiming injustice and oppression...
Most other circuits have to work with stringent curfews and limits of days in use - maybe Croft needs to take that on board. There are an AWFUL lot of trackdays up there these days.... which I would imagine has led to a significant increase in noise and disruption. |
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We don't have figures going back beyond that, but since they applied in 1994 (and weren't granted until 1995?) for the increased track activity, it's debate timeline wise as to if the owners would/wouldn't have known what they were buying into. On 8 October 1998 the Defendant gave its unilateral undertaking under the provision of s.106 the 1990 Act. This Agreement contained a detailed set of measurement criteria by which noise from the Circuit would be assessed and monitored. It also prescribed the racing activities which could be undertaken, and when quiet and rest days were to be held. The activities were divided into N1 to N5 activities, according to the noise levels which were generated, as follows: N1 activities (no more than 95dBA over an hour) shall not exceed 10 days a year N2 activities (no more than 93dBA) shall not exceed 40 days a year. N3 activities (no more than 85dBA) shall not exceed 70 days a year. N4 activities (no more than 78dBA) may not exceed 110 days a year. N1-N4 days therefore may take place on 230 days a year. N5 activities (no more than 70dBA) are unlimited in number. In all cases, the noise levels are measured at an identified point adjacent to the track. I think the noise level, and not the number, is what should have been addressed - how many track cars are below 78dBA? unmodified only? In any case, they were moving next door to an active circuit - it is naive, nay, stupid - to assume that a track undergoing heavy investment wouldn't warrant use to recoup that. I think a noise abatement order to enforce those noise limits would have been the way forward, not ludcrious damage costs. And possibly a lashing of common sense for the home owner. |
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Croft Loses Appeal
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4 ... se_appeal/
Potentially, the end of British Motorsport as we know it...? T'was nice while it lasted.... Just hope the 'aggreived parties' as well as these out of touch Judges can sleep easy in their beds safe in the knowledge that their own recreational and leisure pursuits are to continue... |
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Locals complaining about the noise levels has cut racing back on the Grand Prix circuit at Brands. I think it's a great shame that the GP circuit has been there and used actively since 1960 but it can't be used for more than a handful of days per year because of some miserable people who have been there for far less time.
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I am amazed someone like the MSA has not yet come up with a strategy to combat this kind of thing really.
I am staggered at the circumstances here, but you have to look at it from the judges point of view, it's law that counts here not common sense, you have to understand that in these cases. It doesnt matter that these people knew the track was there, it doesnt matter that they haven't been there long, what does matter is being able to PROVE that noise is a problem. The only way to combat that is with serious help from a governming body that seems hell bent on letting tracks close! The circuit are obviously biased surely and will stop at nothing to put their point across. I realise that it maybe is not the MSA's remit to ensure tracks stay alive, but surely they could have some involvment, they carry some weight at least! Or maybe the MIA or BRDC etc etc. As for anyone having a pop, well that is just inane drivel! As AL says, I live in the South East and have issues with trains, the M25 noise, Heathrow, Stansted and Luton all within 25 miles!! I know it's not the same but Jesus Christ! Sadly, EVERY single track these days is going to have to face up to this, it's the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid. People power is one against the world and it's all about the lawyer, not about the thousands of people who enjoy the area, the countless hotels and B&B's, already battered by foot and mouth and the recession, the local pubs, chippys, petrol stations! Don't you just love modern Britain! |
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What the **** are these people mad or just plain stupid. Did they not realise that there is a motor circuit close to them when they bought the house? Having a family member who was to be, and then was employed by Croft should of given it away. Round them up put them in a far corner of a field then shoot them. Sounds harsh I know but even if I wasn't into motorsport I would think the same way. There's nowt as queer as folk.
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Also on Chezzas point, OK the judge has to uphold the law and make a judgement (hence my previous point on past cases) but how on earth does he arrive at the figure of £150k. That would make every poor council flat dweller who has to put up with selfish noisy neighbours partying to the early hours claims for compensation in the half a million plus bracket or don't they count! |
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