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7 Oct 2018, 08:37 (Ref:3855109) | #1 | ||
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Enough is enough with teams leaving drivers out in cars when they are clearly in no fit state to do so. Even though the commentators didn’t say anything, it was obvious that Reynolds had a speed problem and was losing rapidly to Lowndes. This should have prompted questions. Then when he revealed the leg cramps and was unable to make a clear decision / give clear direction as to whether to stay in the car or not, it was again clear that the team should have put in Youlden. Even without the benefit of hindsight, it would have been the safer move.
Instead, they left a driver out too long, he made a mistake in the pit stop and a top 5 result turned to top 15. Someone also needs to take responsibility for what was clearly too hectic a schedule during the week for Reynolds to handle. Right at the very start of the race when he said he was running on 5 hours sleep or less for successive days, alarm bells immediately rang for me. You just can’t perform at your best on such a sleep deficit. This is not the first time a team has failed to act. I remember Slade a few years ago being absolutely cooked. Was also concerned to hear remarks from Lowndes and Premat that neither the 17 or 888 were running driver cooking gear, presumably to save weight. The size of the drink bottles in the cars is pathetic compared to the amount of fluid drivers would lose in 3 stints. Again, putting car performance ahead of driver health and safety. Something has to change. Drivers can’t make the right decisions themselves when they are completely cooked. |
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I am not a sports scientist but from my long distance running experience, you cannot get glucose or electrolytes into muscles in less than about 30 minutes, I am gobsmacked that the team expert let him stay in the car in that condition. |
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7 Oct 2018, 09:02 (Ref:3855117) | #3 | |
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Here's Betty's take:
“David’s kicking himself. He knows what he did was wrong. “A champion’s red mist came over him. He thought he could get home because he wanted so badly to win again.” https://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...998c4dc22c9a7f |
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Hes a driver, his job is to drive as fast as hard and as long as he can, and that what he did. There are strategists and team managers and medics who decide when they pit when they fuel when they change drivers. The driver drives fast til the boss calls him in. The driver is always the WORST person to decide. I know I have often driven when looking back I can see i should have stopped, when you get in that brain state youre such a trance-like state and overtaken with the red mist - he has lost his judgement. HE gave his all she let him down and then blamed him. If I was him I would walk out of the team Last edited by bathurst77; 11 Oct 2018 at 03:14. |
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13 Oct 2018, 07:55 (Ref:3856400) | #5 | |
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Yes it was pretty poor form by Erebus. When this kind of thing has happened in the past, the team get the driver in the garage and shut the doors immediately so they can sort him out and he can rest and recover without all the press sticking their cameras where they're not wanted or needed. Erebus just sat him down in a deck chair and left him and his girlfriend to it. Pretty unbelievable in this day and age. Looked like a really rank amateur team then, had no idea what to do or how to do it. I felt so sorry for Davey, he'd given his all and then some, and then no one looked after him in his hour of need. Good on Greg Murphy, he was the only one who showed any kind of anything towards Davey. I hope Davey can work out just what happened and what he needs to do in the future to stop it happening again, and gets whatever assistance he needs to do it. He's one of the characters on the series, wears his heart on his sleeve, and isn't a "I'd like to thank the sponsors" robot they all seem to be today ( looking at you S McLaughlin ).
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7 Oct 2018, 09:08 (Ref:3855122) | #6 | |
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I thought the team manager would have made the call.
They were like old moles at a christening, FFS the car was going to be in the wall if Dave kept going. Mark Skaife called it as fatigue, and what if Dave collapsed at the wheel, passed out down Conrod straight or starting vomiting and choked on it? |
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7 Oct 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3855124) | #7 | ||
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Maybe it is time to look at allowable driving time.
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7 Oct 2018, 09:23 (Ref:3855128) | #8 | ||
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There’s been regulations on that for years (2.5 hours max). I must say that as it was happening I felt that the team should be pulling him in. There was a perfectly fit co-driver in the garage who could have jumped in. It would probably have cost the race but they all work together all year & the team guys must have known by his voice, ramblings & cramping that he was in real trouble. |
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Maybe I should have phrased it better and said they need to look at changing the allowable time limit . |
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I suspect that Davey's issues stemmed from a big week and he just started the race with not enough in his personal tank. I'm not going to beat the team up over it (fatigue does tend to go hand in hand with motor sport) but no doubt the team and Davey will have learned some lessons from this week. Good starting point would be to take medical advice as to why he wasn't sleeping well and come up with a solution. |
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7 Oct 2018, 09:22 (Ref:3855127) | #11 | |
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The interesting thing was sleep deprivation being mentioned.
It's not always easy to sleep in a different place to your usual abode, then to have that combined with nervous anticipation and performance expectations. Surely other drivers would have experienced similar, yet this has never really been brought up before. The team should have perhaps been working on resolving that issue much earlier in the week. |
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7 Oct 2018, 09:26 (Ref:3855129) | #12 | |
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Good point Forda, perhaps the teams need to manage fatigue by cutting down on the PR stuff.
Lack of sleep over a few days is the equivalent of driving with a blood alcohol level of .08. |
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7 Oct 2018, 09:37 (Ref:3855133) | #13 | ||
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I can't see the value of triple stinting the main driver at the end. There was always risk that a driver would fatigue.
The whole concept of getting the co-drivers laps done as early as possible is ridiculous. |
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The main issue was that Deadpool (an in-joke between Dave Reynolds and myself) was practically not himself all week. (had trouble sleeping, said all week that he felt off song, etc) Plus the team should have over-ruled Reynolds' wanting to stay in the car and put Youlden in the car during the scheduled pitstop. (It was clear in the in-car footage that Deadpool was stuffed, he was constantly drooping/shutting his eyelids, looked pale as and when he jumped out of the car, not only his legs were cramped, his hands were clawed with severe cramp)
Also, props for Greg Murphy consoling Reynolds. Like him or not, that was a great thing he did, unlike the bunch of photographers that stuck their cameras practically in Reynolds' face. That really annoyed me. (and the team who practically used themselves as human shields to give Deadpool some privacy) |
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7 Oct 2018, 18:19 (Ref:3855269) | #15 | ||
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I think he should have gone straight out the back into the truck onto a drip and have some privacy. He wasn’t in a state to be in front of a camera (TV or otherwise)
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7 Oct 2018, 23:21 (Ref:3855304) | #16 | |
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Imo the root issue in this is Reynolds anxiety issue which has become quite clear now. A pack of sleep as a result of anxiety has a far greater impact on someone's mental and physical performance than simply reduced sleep due to a later finish or eaely start. Hopefully he can work in that area but there's the fear now that it'll exacerbate after this weekend.
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8 Oct 2018, 00:24 (Ref:3855308) | #18 | ||
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Team should have made a call and bought him in, no choice. He wasn't talking sense, so they should have said come in. Could have had a better chance.
But that is what this race is known for, the shear heartbreak it causes when it doesn't go right. Think about everything that we have seen over the years that has happened and costed victory to those who looked to have it in the bag. It ain't over till it is over. |
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The catagory has a world class doctor on hand who could've made a clear, enforceable decision on it.
Time to adjust the rules. This isn't the first time a driver's health has been affected during the race. |
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That said, there has to be a better way. Teams need to take accountability, not drivers. Perhaps internal body temperature monitoring with swallowed capsules, or tracking of driver eye movements (as they have in road cars), heart rate telemetry, basic questions to test cognitive function (if they can’t tell you the square root of 81, they’re kicked out of the car) etc. |
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8 Oct 2018, 03:18 (Ref:3855329) | #23 | ||
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Who was the BJR driver in last year's race that begged to be allowed out of the car due to a busted cool suit or drink bottle before collapsing onto pit lane?
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8 Oct 2018, 04:14 (Ref:3855344) | #25 | |
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Couple points:
Watching the broadcast showed Reynolds asleep sometime after his first stint. He doubtless needed the sleep but also would have need to rehydrate at the same time. Maybe this fed into his cramping late in the day? Whomever was advising the team saying he needed to have a big drink with the expectation that it would allow him to recover from the cramps and continue was just plain wrong. You cannot consume enough fluid and electrolytes whilst driving to recover like that. |
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