The Annual Competition Licence Debate, or Debacle. 2015/16

Lancsbreaker · 23 Nov 2015, 19:01 (Ref:3592745)

Been threatening to go to Le Mans Classic for years.....might have to try it this year........

Having received my Comp licence renewal papers today trying to decide whether to renew early or wait until near the first meeting......won't get a medical booked before we disappear to Tenerife, so it'll have to wait until the new year anyway.

Mike Bell · 23 Nov 2015, 19:30 (Ref:3592750)

If you don't need licence early in new year, wait. Then if you do 2017 application earlier than 2016, your medical will still be valid.....

Brian A · 23 Nov 2015, 19:49 (Ref:3592754)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

If you don't need licence early in new year, wait. Then if you do 2017 application earlier than 2016, your medical will still be valid.....

I'm following this exact process - trying to renew early to use the existing medical that they have on file.

Unfortunately there seem to be quite a few others trying to do the same at the moment as the MSA website is locking up when selecting the online renewal.

I'll try again in the morning......

Mike Bell · 23 Nov 2015, 20:34 (Ref:3592763)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian A

I'm following this exact process - trying to renew early to use the existing medical that they have on file.

Unfortunately there seem to be quite a few others trying to do the same at the moment as the MSA website is locking up when selecting the online renewal.

I'll try again in the morning......

'Website crashes' due to unprecedented demand?

I used my medical and ECG bonuses this year, so am waiting until Jan to start the process again....

Colin McKay · 23 Nov 2015, 21:41 (Ref:3592781)

Just applied online, all seems accepted & licenced promised in the post within a fortnight. Had to tell porkies (like they tell you to) and say no to all the pre-existing medical conditions - if you've already declared it, it only confuses the 'puter if you tell it again, apparently. Fortunately it doesn't ask if you've ever been diagnosed as a pathological liar

Seems much too easy, what can possibly go wrong???

Watch this space!

terence · 24 Nov 2015, 04:58 (Ref:3592891)

Someone from Licensing Dept reads your post??

Mike Bell · 24 Nov 2015, 06:33 (Ref:3592912)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin McKay

Just applied online, all seems accepted & licenced promised in the post within a fortnight.

Seems much too easy, what can possibly go wrong???

As Terence said- your card is now probably well and truly marked!

Lancsbreaker · 24 Nov 2015, 18:03 (Ref:3593044)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

If you don't need licence early in new year, wait. Then if you do 2017 application earlier than 2016, your medical will still be valid.....

Always confused about this - my medical for 2015 licence was only in July, so on your basis I can renew anytime before next July, but the forms say that medical has to be within 3 months?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, mind.....

Mike Bell · 24 Nov 2015, 18:32 (Ref:3593051)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Always confused about this - my medical for 2015 licence was only in July, so on your basis I can renew anytime before next July, but the forms say that medical has to be within 3 months?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, mind.....

Think we discuss it every year, Richard- but with good reason, it IS confusing! Maybe renewing is different to taking out a licence for the first time, when it has to be done within 3 months of medical.....

Best just to accept it as an anomaly and be happy that it works. Up to this moment, anyway!

midgetman · 24 Nov 2015, 18:39 (Ref:3593052)

It's actually written on your licence application form now.

https://members.msauk.org/uploadedfi..._comp_form.pdf

I had mine yesterday even though I don't have a race licence this year. Alex, who has a licence, hasn't had his renewal form!

BTW if I only take out a kart licence I don't need a medical at all, even as an old fart.

Mike Bell · 24 Nov 2015, 19:34 (Ref:3593071)

Well spotted! I hadn't looked at the renewal form, still in envelope!

zefarelly · 26 Nov 2015, 09:05 (Ref:3593421)

I'm 44 1/3 and renewed on line in a matter of minutes.

**Tim Falce** · 26 Nov 2015, 19:29 (Ref:3593503)

What happens if I don't bother next year, will I be able to renew in 2017 or 18 without doing the ARDS ********?

Heightswitch · 26 Nov 2015, 19:42 (Ref:3593505)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

What happens if I don't bother next year, will I be able to renew in 2017 or 18 without doing the ARDS ********?

Aren't you allowed 2 years away before needing to re-do the ARDS?
N.

Mike Bell · 26 Nov 2015, 19:59 (Ref:3593507)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

What happens if I don't bother next year, will I be able to renew in 2017 or 18 without doing the ARDS ********?

Now that question was asked last year by Richard. Assume you have Nat A, in which case you have five years before retaking ARDS. (Licence notes, 8.2.3.)

Nat B is less, see 8.2.2

Normal Bloke · 27 Nov 2015, 10:07 (Ref:3593623)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Now that question was asked last year by Richard. Assume you have Nat A, in which case you have five years before retaking ARDS. (Licence notes, 8.2.3.)

Nat B is less, see 8.2.2

If you can provide enough proof (copies of race result finishes), there is no statute of limitation on numbers of years away from the sport.
My mate and I returned to racing in 2008 after us retiring in 1994 and 1999 respectively. Luckily for us, we had raced in the same series' and I had kept all my qualifying and result sheets since 1989. They were perfectly happy with this and no ARDS test was required, except for the theory test, which we undertook (FoC) over a coffee in the Stowe circuit café at Silverstone.

Mike Bell · 27 Nov 2015, 12:10 (Ref:3593650)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Normal Bloke

If you can provide enough proof (copies of race result finishes), there is no statute of limitation on numbers of years away from the sport.
My mate and I returned to racing in 2008 after us retiring in 1994 and 1999 respectively. Luckily for us, we had raced in the same series' and I had kept all my qualifying and result sheets since 1989. They were perfectly happy with this and no ARDS test was required, except for the theory test, which we undertook (FoC) over a coffee in the Stowe circuit café at Silverstone.

Strewth, common sense operating within the halls of power?

delta · 27 Nov 2015, 18:24 (Ref:3593717)

FWIW I'm waiting untill Jan so as to get my 3 years out of stressed EC G . I sometimes wonder if I would start racing if I was 17 today . Loads of hassel . Hey ho happy days back in the 70's .

Lancsbreaker · 26 Nov 2015, 22:06 (Ref:3593526)

OOOOH - we must have been straying OT, Mike - as I see this discussion has been split from the original thread

Yes, I renewed my licence this year having not had one since 2010 - if I'd left it another year I'd have had to redo the written bit of the ARDS.......

And in respect of the medical, I still think its confusing as if you read the red print at the bottom of section 3 on the form it definitely says licence must be issued within 3 months of medical, whereas in smaller print at the top of the same page it does of course say there is 12-month validity...... Don't think I'd actually read the form, as opposed to the accompanying noted, which stress the 3-months rather than the 12......Never mind, I'm happy not to have to pay for another medical so soon

And I've just received notification that having become a pensioner, I'm now being given £100 towards my heating........or Race licence as its otherwise known

Alan Morgan · 27 Nov 2015, 19:36 (Ref:3593737)

...although in those days we still had to have a medical every year even though we were in our early twenties.

andy97 · 28 Nov 2015, 10:01 (Ref:3593845)

Just to throw a spanner in the works, I'm considering doing my rally licence, for which I need a medical. I also want to renew my race licence and I'm in date for that as long as I renew before 20 Jan 2016.

Anyone any idea whether I need to have a new medical for my rally licence or will the existing medical suffice?

Mike Bell · 28 Nov 2015, 13:08 (Ref:3593862)

Mmm, licence notes very vague on the subject. Can't even see where it says you need an annual medical for Rally licence. I guess the 'Go Rallying' pack has more info on that, but sounds like a phone call to MSA may be easiest way of getting an answer!

Lancsbreaker · 29 Nov 2015, 22:16 (Ref:3594281)

Can't see any requirement for a medical, unless you are applying for an International Stage Rally licence.

If you are a first time applicant for a stage rally licence, then a BARS course is needed......no mention on their webpage of medical requirements.

Of course they didn't have such things when I was rallying, even when I got my International licence no medical required - it was a while ago, I admit

andy97 · 30 Nov 2015, 16:42 (Ref:3594502)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Can't see any requirement for a medical, unless you are applying for an International Stage Rally licence.

If you are a first time applicant for a stage rally licence, then a BARS course is needed......no mention on their webpage of medical requirements.

I need to look again more carefully. I had assumed that because I had to have a medical for my ARDS then I would for my BARS. Strange to have different rules!

Rikki Cann · 1 Dec 2015, 13:33 (Ref:3594728)

latest price from my doctors is £95.50P, gone are the days of taking in a bottle of something????

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