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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:21 (Ref:2732188)   #1
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I refuse to watch the end of the race if team orders are going to dictate a race winner.

I was really looking forward to watching Alonso have a go at Massa, until Ferrari management got involved.

Their first race this year heading towards a 1-2. Massa was doing everything right. Alonso was quicker, and it is Alonso's multi million pound paid job to drive a racing car and overtake, not Massa's team orders to get out of the way.

Shame on them.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:24 (Ref:2732196)   #2
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ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.!!!!!!
I thought we were done with all this when Shumi first retired and they changed the rules to say "NO TEAM ORDERS"

.................................. obviously not
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:24 (Ref:2732198)   #3
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The right call IMO.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:26 (Ref:2732203)   #4
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If Alonso is faster, then let him get past. There are rules against this IIRC.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:27 (Ref:2732207)   #5
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Ferrari did it so unsubtly that I can see them getting a penalty.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:33 (Ref:2732220)   #6
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:33 (Ref:2732221)   #7
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Lets hope Danny Sullivan just reverses the positions after the race, letting Massa take all the points. That would be lesson enough.
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Lets hope Danny Sullivan just reverses the positions after the race, letting Massa take all the points. That would be lesson enough.
Does Danny Sullivan run Ferrari? Why should he decide how they race. I don't get it.

The only way to truly stop this is by getting rid of the championship. I kind of like this idea - individual Grand Prix should be more important. However we have the championships that is why we have things like Collins and Fangio.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:43 (Ref:2732249)   #9
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Does Danny Sullivan run Ferrari? Why should he decide how they race. I don't get it.
He's the guest steward.
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He's the guest steward.
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:48 (Ref:2732259)   #11
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that did not take long for a thread to come out after that happen and i wonder how long will this take!
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2732888)   #12
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Yep sadly Ferrari is instilled with this depressing culture, and it appears Alonso has taken over from where Schumacher left off. I really don't like the guy. It was like Hungary '07, where he stayed in the pits to stop Hamilton from having a final go at pole ,and then flattly denied he did anything wrong and that the team told him to stay. What crap. The guy is absolutely full of it. He actually sat there and just spilled the biggest pile of #@^% I have heard, we all know he is lying, we know that Massa was told to let him through, clearly in breach of the rules.
I hope Massa bangs it on pole next time out and beats him, and doesn't move over.


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Old 26 Jul 2010, 02:29 (Ref:2733033)   #13
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Clearly. I don't think there can be any debate. If the FIA don't do anything I'm going to have to change my signature.
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Old 26 Jul 2010, 08:46 (Ref:2733151)   #14
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Yes, they broke the rules. No, they didn't cheat.

Team orders are a part of F1, they have been since day 1. Live with it.

Remember Monza, 1979? Gilles followed Jody round for lap, after lap. He could have passed, and won the title. He didn't. He was an honourable man, following his team leader, who DID win the title.

Plus ca change, people!
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Old 25 Jul 2010, 13:42 (Ref:2732245)   #15
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Ya, that was pretty lame. Especially in the way they did it; with obvious radio calls. I especially liked the Alonso radio at the end of the race, "what happened to Massa in the end did he miss a gear or something?" FIA should check the data at the end to see what happened.

There is a cheeky way of doing things and then there are the Italians. Like the world cup with their obvious dives.

At the end of the day, did any of you guys think Ferrari were going to let Massa win and Alonso finish second?
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I'd like to see that. It really would be one in the eye for Ferrari.
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Stop watching. Unless you do that then they will never learn.

They were magnanimous. Smedley will explain that later...
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So basically if Massa and Alonso are running together, Massa is not allowed to finish ahead. Massa should **** this team and leave.
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Is anyone really surprised that the team that constantly thinks it is bigger than F1 would put break the rules like that again?
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So how many TV sets have been broken?
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In normal conditions, Alonso would have to fight for the position as he tried and couldn't, that makes this even more a farce. I hope Ferrari gets punished and lose all points from this race and 10 positions in the next race for both drivers.
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My, Christian Horner's got some front hasn't he?
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Horner giving lectures on team orders.
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What chances a penalty for Ferrari?
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They should get a penalty ... but remember kovi and lewis in 2008 ... similar situation although the pass was not for 1/2 position at the time this may make a difference ... not sure ... did kovi get an 'order' or was he just told that lewis was closing in ? ... they didnt get a pen did they ... discuss
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