GRD 373 Formula Three?

plusotto · 14 Feb 2011, 16:04 (Ref:2831070)

I recently bought ,in Italy, a GRD F3 updated to 374 but is to be completely restored. I dont know who were the drivers of this car and i dont understand why the plaque is written 373 601 F3. I think it is wrong and that the marking is correct 373 061 F3. Help!

**chunterer** · 15 Feb 2011, 20:54 (Ref:2831810)

Welcome plusotto, great questions to ask us!!

Sure someone can help.

**chunterer** · 14 Apr 2011, 15:48 (Ref:2863334)

Dan (Rear) you know a lot about F3's don't you?

So does Chris?

Alan Raine · 14 Apr 2011, 16:53 (Ref:2863355)

There may be info on GRD Chassis numbers here:

E.B · 15 Apr 2011, 00:43 (Ref:2863540)

I would say it most certainly isnt 601, and 061 is much more in sequence with the GRD details.

Cant remember much about the GRD 373's other than Zorzi won at Monaco in one , and Alan Jones used to drive one with vigour. Others of the era in GRD's were of course Toby Brise, Henton, Larry Perkins, Tony Rouf, Richard Robarts. They were fairly widespread in 73 /74

Dan Rear · 19 Apr 2011, 12:38 (Ref:2866425)

A good few GRDs went to Italy for the first year of 2-litre F3, 1974, whereas only a couple stayed in Britain. 061 sounds like it could be a late 73/early 74 car. Zorzi won the 75 Monaco F3 race in a 74 car IIRC. By 74 GRDs had about finished building cars, there were far more made in 72 and 73.

Unit 2 Racing · 19 Apr 2011, 14:50 (Ref:2866492)

Just looked on ORC.com & Zorzi's GRD at Monaco in 75 was 374 085-F3.

Chris Townsend · 19 Apr 2011, 19:49 (Ref:2866641)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unit 2 Racing

Just looked on ORC.com & Zorzi's GRD at Monaco in 75 was 374 085-F3.

That's an assumption based on a physical observation of his car at the British GP meeting that year - described as his Monaco car - and given that I couldn't see anything in the Italian press that suggested he changed cars mid season, I think it's a pretty reliable one

Chris

Chris Townsend · 19 Apr 2011, 19:58 (Ref:2866647)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

A good few GRDs went to Italy for the first year of 2-litre F3, 1974, whereas only a couple stayed in Britain. 061 sounds like it could be a late 73/early 74 car. Zorzi won the 75 Monaco F3 race in a 74 car IIRC. By 74 GRDs had about finished building cars, there were far more made in 72 and 73.

060 and 061 both early 73 cars.
Problem is 061 is a known entity as a Pierre Robert F2 car, and is for sale, with chassis number at the end of the 1974 F2 season having been used most of that season

060 was Alan Jones' car, most of the season (three notes by Formula One Register, one in Motoring News), but it was very heavily crashed early in 1973 and rebuilt. This car went to Squadra Monzeglio Corse in early 1974 [Adam Ferrington saw it at Oulton on an English visit]. However Monzeglio Corse had three GRD F3s that year, from the team photo that Peter Denty was kind enough to show me. It looks like one of these was a new 374 and the other two were rebuilt 373s with new style bodywork [the fit of the tub to the body is different between the 373 and 374] - I suspect that 601 is one of these, perhaps the original Jones chassis rebuilt, rather than the one that finished the season. 601 does have early 73 cured bag tanks, which would support the 373 series theory.

racermark · 1 Aug 2011, 17:11 (Ref:2934601)

Hi
i own a GRD and the badge is missing. I was told many years ago that it was the car Jean-Louis Schlesser drove as a works car. later i was told it won a race in Monaco. This was all told to me by a hi-up in VanDieman. I would really like to figure out what car i have. Can anyone help.
Thanks Mark

Chris Townsend · 1 Aug 2011, 19:02 (Ref:2934648)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racermark

Hi
i own a GRD and the badge is missing. I was told many years ago that it was the car Jean-Louis Schlesser drove as a works car. later i was told it won a race in Monaco. This was all told to me by a hi-up in VanDieman. I would really like to figure out what car i have. Can anyone help.
Thanks Mark

Mark, if it's a Jean-Louis Schlesser GRD it is a GRD 376 which Van Diemen took over when GRD went broke early in the 1976 season

Schlesser only did a few races with the team. He ran at Monaco but did not get beyond his heat.
Later that year he ran a few races with a works Modus, taking over the car previously used by Willi Siller.
This was not the Modus that won the Monaco GP support race in 1975 which was still being raced by Zorzi in 1976
In any case, if you have a GRD it has nothing to do with a Modus. They are completely separate cars from separate companies

If you post some photos of your car, especially of the suspension and the tub, we might be able to identify if your car is a GRD, and what year it is.

Also, whereabouts are you in the world? Is the car in Europe? UK? or North America?

Chris

racermark · 3 Aug 2011, 18:22 (Ref:2935490)

Hi
I have been looking for some info on the car and found.
the SCCA logbook shows rhe make and model to be:
van-diemen VG376 004. the car is currently a CSR.
I have a picture of the F3 car and will scan and post it soon.

the car has a much bigger front hoop over the dash than the other cars i can find pics of. it had the round alu. fabricated rear wing mount on it wheen i got it but it was discarded years ago.(stupid me). i do still have the wing.

let me know what you think, if you have any info.

Racermark

Chris Townsend · 3 Aug 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2935566)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racermark

Hi
I have been looking for some info on the car and found.
the SCCA logbook shows rhe make and model to be:
van-diemen VG376 004. the car is currently a CSR.
I have a picture of the F3 car and will scan and post it soon.

the car has a much bigger front hoop over the dash than the other cars i can find pics of. it had the round alu. fabricated rear wing mount on it wheen i got it but it was discarded years ago.(stupid me). i do still have the wing.

let me know what you think, if you have any info.

Racermark

Mark
Chassis number makes sense because Van Diemen numbered their 376 separately from the GRD sequence.
How far does the log book go back? Is this perhaps the ex Dirk Wrightson/Peter Gates car which ran FC in the 70s?
What is region code and serial number on the log book?
When did you buy the car?

Chris

Matthew Sturmer · 5 Aug 2011, 20:46 (Ref:2936307)

In the 76 Monaco F3 race Jean-Louis Schlesser finished 9th in heat 2 and then was 13th overall in the final driving a GRD / Van Diemen 376.

From some guys I have spoken to who built the cars in period, the first chassis no 1 was sold to a customer just as it was finished, chassis 2 was used as the works car, and the subsequent chassis were built for customers.

Most of the cars ended up in Scandinavia and were used in the various F3 championships there. For more info on specific race results it is best to look at www.formula2.net as there are quite a few of the races listed from 76 with results and cars used.

What engine does your car have as this might help in identifying its history.

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