"Course" Grade Scrapped?

Mark Mitchell · 24 Oct 2006, 19:26 (Ref:1747993)

Reading from another thread (Students Marshalling) it has been said that the COURSE Grade has been scrapped by the MSA!

Anyone shed any more light on this?

CombeMarshal · 24 Oct 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1748014)

Nope, no light here, Sure it still exisits, actually, I'm more than sure!

Nighthawk · 24 Oct 2006, 19:47 (Ref:1748025)

You should know lee,.....
Oh congratulations (marshall of the year award) at combe well deserved

CombeMarshal · 24 Oct 2006, 19:50 (Ref:1748031)

I know a couple of Trainees that are to become Course next year, they will be chuffed if there become Incident!
Perhaps they are just putting more sigs down between trainee to Incident??
And It's on the application for next years BGP!

Oh, and thanks!!

mandyh000 · 24 Oct 2006, 19:50 (Ref:1748032)

mmm... having gained my 10 sigs and just awaiting training day in january.... has me wondering what grade i may be getting....

Nighthawk · 24 Oct 2006, 19:55 (Ref:1748046)

just remember 1 training day over 3 years

CombeMarshal · 24 Oct 2006, 20:09 (Ref:1748061)

That's one long day!!!!
I tend to go every year other wise I get withdraw symptoms and start hanging out around the M5!

The STIG · 24 Oct 2006, 21:34 (Ref:1748178)

Well I'm due to upgrade as soon as I get my fire training signiture - however I've no interest in doing Incident - I want to go to Flags! so what do I do if they scrap Course?

chezza · 25 Oct 2006, 10:59 (Ref:1748796)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The STIG

Well I'm due to upgrade as soon as I get my fire training signiture - however I've no interest in doing Incident - I want to go to Flags! so what do I do if they scrap Course?

I'm pretty sure your supposed to grade to incident before grading to flag anyway?!

Grandslammer · 25 Oct 2006, 11:16 (Ref:1748811)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezza

I'm pretty sure your supposed to grade to incident before grading to flag anyway?!

Marshals can grade for flags after obtaining their course grade,if they so wish

According to what I've read at least

Firefox · 25 Oct 2006, 11:41 (Ref:1748856)

Unless it is about to change, the BMRMC website grading scheme is trainee marshal to coures marshal subject to signitures & training days, at course grade you can either grade as FLAG OR INCIDENT. This is the same as surprise surprise the MSA chart, howerver the MSA one that I have to hand was issued in 2002 and I did not see a link on the web site.

Mark Mitchell · 25 Oct 2006, 11:49 (Ref:1748866)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezza

I'm pretty sure your supposed to grade to incident before grading to flag anyway?!

Unless it's changed you can do flags after going green!
I did! But I held two grading cards at the same time.....one for Incident t'other for flags!

Jordygirl · 25 Oct 2006, 19:05 (Ref:1749283)

I have just submitted my upgrade card to BMMC from trainee to Course. It could be interesting to see what comes back. Have heard talk that MSA have been approached to add a new specialist catagory - Oval Racing - to take into account the likes of SCSA at Rockingham.

Mark Mitchell · 25 Oct 2006, 19:27 (Ref:1749302)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordygirl

- to take into account the likes of SCSA at Rockingham.

Is that the series that runs 8 cars?
The one that is on a Yellow Card?
The One that won't be around in 2008?

There's not enought Oval Racing in the UK to warrant it IMHO

Hepatic · 24 Oct 2006, 22:56 (Ref:1748245)

does that mean I'm scrapped then?

archaic gold · 25 Oct 2006, 03:38 (Ref:1748380)

There are plans afoot by the MSA to completely change the grading scheme so carefully orchestrated by the BMRMC in the early 1970's. Nothing set in stone; as yet!!!

Mark Mitchell · 25 Oct 2006, 07:51 (Ref:1748525)

Perhaps the BMMC haven't told us yet for many reasons - possibly waiting to see how the MSA's proposals transpire.

Perhaps Mike told his Students this unaware that the Marshals Clubs hadn't officially gone "Public" on this.

Perhaps it's all poppycock.

I understand that Stephen has asked Chris Hobson to look in here and possibly make a comment.

Cynic · 25 Oct 2006, 11:52 (Ref:1748872)

I have noticed an increasing tendancy on the groubd for course marshals to be refererred to as Incident marshals. Maybe this is reason behind the rumours? In any case, with the exception of snatch duties, is there any real difference between a course marshal and an IO these days?

Dave Brand · 25 Oct 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1749024)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynic

In any case, with the exception of snatch duties, is there any real difference between a course marshal and an IO these days?

There's a world of difference! In an ideal world a course marshal would only be attending incidents in the company of an incident marshal (unless (s)he is well on the way to incident grade). Again, in an ideal world, an IO will not actually be dealing 'hands on' with incidents - the IO's role in the event of an incident is to manage the team, decide on the 'plan of attack' for big incidents & act as the link between the incident team & the observer.

Snatch? Not any of the circuits I marshal at!

scorch · 25 Oct 2006, 15:07 (Ref:1749066)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Snatch? Not any of the circuits I marshal at!

Snatching is being used at more and more circuits, it's a skilled job and it would be nice to have the MSA grade give it a proper specialist grade.

Firefox · 25 Oct 2006, 15:17 (Ref:1749082)

Where's the skill in tying a rope to a Landrover and getting it stuck in the mud.

If you're really skilled you can remove the rear wing / gearbox end plates on FPA cars, and thats only on the tarmac run of at Copse. And for those who think that it qualifies for the Richard Cranium Award I claim Diplomatic Imunity.

Stack · 25 Oct 2006, 15:23 (Ref:1749086)

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorch

Snatching is being used at more and more circuits, it's a skilled job and it would be nice to have the MSA grade give it a proper specialist grade.

....and oval observing.

Dave Brand · 25 Oct 2006, 16:02 (Ref:1749104)

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorch

Snatching is being used at more and more circuits, it's a skilled job and it would be nice to have the MSA grade give it a proper specialist grade.

If the people doing it are marshals, not recovery crews, then yes, it would be good to have it recognised as a specialisation.

archaic gold · 25 Oct 2006, 16:46 (Ref:1749148)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

If the people doing it are marshals, not recovery crews, then yes, it would be good to have it recognised as a specialisation.

At Brands Hatch it is Marshals carrying out "snatch" recovery, albeit with the "employed" Marshals actually operating the Manito/JCB type vehicle, but with help from Incident Marshals, from the "volunteer" force; therefore a "team"effort. Sorry, but the post about tying a strop to a car and then getting a Land Rover stuck in the mud, I find rather insulting, and really not worthy of comment. However, I feel this is a dig at another Circuit where I do not normally Marshal, so I think it is in order that I can comment!!! (Being fair and unbiased!)
I also agree that more Circuits are carrying out "snatch"; it is the only way forward to prevent long periods under sterilisation with a Safety Car. At least only the two Posts adjacent to the snatch are operating a sterile area for overtaking, plus the clear run to the Green Flag at the next.

KayBee · 25 Oct 2006, 14:24 (Ref:1749042)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynic

I have noticed an increasing tendancy on the groubd for course marshals to be refererred to as Incident marshals.

All the time I've been marshalling, except for TOCA meetings, whenever I've received my final instructions the Incident list covers everybody from Trainee to IO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Mitchell

Unless it's changed you can do flags after going green!
I did! But I held two grading cards at the same time.....one for Incident t'other for flags!

I did the same, however, although you can run two cards at the same time the perceived way is to grade for one at a time and the accepted route is: course, incident and then either flag or io.

You can also grade for flag with a specialist badge..................................

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