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31 Jul 2008, 16:53 (Ref:2261105)
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Diesel GT Car
Just wondering if anyone knows if there has ever been a diesel powered GT (not LMP) car entered in a of the major race series around the world. If not does anyone know if the rules permit this or if any teams have plans to do this. Would be great marketing/PR for a factory entry.
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31 Jul 2008, 17:14 (Ref:2261113)
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Oh no ..... we dont want no more diesels ..... please !!!
BMW won Spa 24 with a diesel , but that was in the touring car days , 1996 I think ? |
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31 Jul 2008, 18:47 (Ref:2261157)
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31 Jul 2008, 19:28 (Ref:2261185)
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31 Jul 2008, 18:47 (Ref:2261158)
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I think it was the 24hrs at the Ring that BMW won in the last races of the touring car era, 1998.
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31 Jul 2008, 18:56 (Ref:2261163)
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I'm quite sure it was the Nring 24 that BMW won with a diesel.
The reason why theres not been a diesel GT car is that there hasn't been a diesel sportscar/supercar to base it on. If Audi were to put a diesel version of the R8 road car into production then we may see one. |
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31 Jul 2008, 18:56 (Ref:2261164)
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I think the closest thing to a diesel GT car was the Trident Iceni, powered by a 6.6 litre GM V8 diesel. It was supposed to race in British GT in 2006 and may have had an outing in Britcar in 2005 but I can't find any record of it actually racing.
http://www.trident-vehicles.co.uk/in...d=29&Itemid=45 |
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31 Jul 2008, 19:23 (Ref:2261181)
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there was a diesel VW entered into the Speed World Touring car class a few races ago. Got Lapped and DNFed. Did not show up for any other races.
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31 Jul 2008, 21:26 (Ref:2261279)
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 Can't think of any GTs either...can't even think of any roadgoing ones that could have been the basis for a race car. |
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1 Aug 2008, 03:11 (Ref:2261396)
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1 Aug 2008, 12:06 (Ref:2261626)
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1 Aug 2008, 06:56 (Ref:2261445)
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Audi are selling the TT now with a diesel engine.
Not a 'proper' sports car maybe, but it has 2 seats so in maybe it is I dont know. But it does give a clear pointer to the way car makers are going and the Diesel R8 wont be far behind. would it sell? as I have said before I would buy one. |
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1 Aug 2008, 06:59 (Ref:2261447)
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FYI the Trident was paraded at the press day for this years Britcar but as yet a no show. He may be saving it for the 24Hr at Silverstone?
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1 Aug 2008, 17:14 (Ref:2261754)
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Haven't Audi tested a V12 diesel version of the R8?
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2 Aug 2008, 15:26 (Ref:2262149)
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Yes. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/13/d...he-r8-v12-tdi/ The R8 TDi has a 5.9-litre V12 twin-turbo diesel with 493bhp and, more scarily, a massive 738lb ft of torque but can return 23mpg see this for a test report. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...0/audi_r8.html There was a tamer V8 version knocking around last year that was tip to go on sale later this year but with 'only' 350bhp compared to the V12 versions 490, I would think it has been canned in favor of the V12 version. |
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2 Aug 2008, 20:11 (Ref:2262249)
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2 Aug 2008, 23:02 (Ref:2262317)
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I think the R8 is four-wheel drive? If so that would create another issue with the rule book as I'm pretty sure that 4wd is not acceptable.
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2 Aug 2008, 15:52 (Ref:2262160)
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Surely the V12 diesel is a great platform for a GT1 car - if they can get the rules to include a diesel option ...
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3 Aug 2008, 01:00 (Ref:2262357)
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As are all Lamborghinis. Converting from AWD to RWD is no problem.
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3 Aug 2008, 03:49 (Ref:2262387)
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Well the V12 was built as a design exercise and they said it probably would not be produced last I saw, was almost at hot as the twin turbo V10 car and that burned to the shell. The concept car had all kinds of openings for air flow and cooling so prob not a good GT motor. A diesel V8 wouldnt surprise me though
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3 Aug 2008, 07:35 (Ref:2262446)
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The R8 V12 TDI will be produced to numbers, and you will see it again. Dont worry
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3 Aug 2008, 10:52 (Ref:2262519)
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3 Aug 2008, 16:34 (Ref:2262673)
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3 Aug 2008, 16:16 (Ref:2262661)
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Maybe, its all give and take, the slower engine speed of a Diesel would help reliabilty I would have thought, but the higher stresses on the transmission could outweigh that.
I think a diesel should show better MPG under racing than a petrol version IMHO. I guess we will not know until someone puts one on the track, until then its all ********!! BTW. I dont think Audi will be the first to do that either. |
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3 Aug 2008, 16:19 (Ref:2262663)
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Only if it was Bio-diesel. Dont know what the difference would be otherwise because there is always bio-ethanol for the petrol engines too. So any techie out there explain the mileage differential between the two bio fuels?
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