[Driver] Barrichello vs Hülkenberg

[Satorian]

So, who do you think will have the better of the other? The rookie or the evergreen? Who's going to emerge ahead at season's end?


My take: Hülkenberg will have a comparatively weak start, but will be Barrichello's equal by Sepang or Shanghai, slowly gaining an edge from there on.


Yes, I'm betting on the rookie.

[ralf fan]

Vettel

[Marbot]

I'm betting that Barrichello will take nearly half a season to get his brakes sorted out, and then blah! blah! blah! a bit mid-season onwards.

Hulkenberg will be another driver that is "championship material if only he'd stop making mistakes".

[Burnsie]

I'd like to see a rejuvenated Rubens Barrichello in the 2010 Williams seat. Hopefully the confidence boost he undoubtedly received from being on the cusp of becoming a world champion (well, nearly) will roll into next season. As the eldest driver on the grid, he has shown that he has still got what it takes to win races and fight for championships, so hopefully he'll be given a car worthy of his talent and dedication.

As for Hülkenberg, despite his reputation I couldn't see him giving Barrichello a run for his money. Perhaps in the coming seasons, but not in his debut F1 year.

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Burnsie

I'd like to see a rejuvenated Rubens Barrichello in the 2010 Williams seat. Hopefully the confidence boost he undoubtedly received from being on the cusp of becoming a world champion (well, nearly) will roll into next season. As the eldest driver on the grid, he has shown that he has still got what it takes to win races and fight for championships, so hopefully he'll be given a car worthy of his talent and dedication.

As for Hülkenberg, despite his reputation I couldn't see him giving Barrichello a run for his money. Perhaps in the coming seasons, but not in his debut F1 year.

The thought that an in-form Barrichello, known to be able to win races and fight for the WDC, could be upstaged by a rookie was exactly what made me create this thread. And I do think that by season's end Hülkenberg will have more points tallied.

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Marbot

I'm betting that Barrichello will take nearly half a season to get his brakes sorted out, and then blah! blah! blah! a bit mid-season onwards.

I'm sure he'll find a lot of technical reasons and team issues that hinder his performance to tell the press.

Hulkenberg will be another driver that is "championship material if only he'd stop making mistakes".

Oh boy, I think that could become one of your biggest underestimations of an F1 driver. I think he'll be another driver firmly in that "would be a champion in a better car" category. Sure, there'll be rookie mistakes, but I expect less of those than we've seen from other very highly rated drivers.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Satorian

Oh boy, I think that could become one of your biggest underestimations of an F1 driver.

He needs to get in the car first, and then he needs to beat Barrichello!

And remember that Barrichello has driven heavy F1 cars.

[strider]

Originally Posted by Marbot

And remember that Barrichello has driven heavy F1 cars.

The first (and best) generation A1GP cars weren't exactly lithe and agile.

Actually, I think that's why Hülkenberg didn't immediately master F3.

[Andy Harrison]

I think Hulkenberg is going to start strong and finish ahead of Barichello - come on The Hulk!!

[Fox89]

Winning in GP2 is one thing, being competitive in F1 is something else.

However, Hulkenberg was so blisteringly and consistently good that my gut feeling says he will soon be close to Barrichello's pace after a few GP. I do think that for the first season, however, Rubens' experience will give him the upper hand.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by Fox89

Hulkenberg was so blisteringly and consistently good that my gut feeling says he will soon be close to Barrichello's pace after a few GP. I do think that for the first season, however, Rubens' experience will give him the upper hand.

Nico doens't exactly lack pace. F1 is much more that having fast reflexes and flying quick around chicanes and hairpins. I believe that he will learn next year from Rubinho a lot of strategy and car setup.

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Nico doens't exactly lack pace. F1 is much more that having fast reflexes and flying quick around chicanes and hairpins. I believe that he will learn next year from Rubinho a lot of strategy and car setup.

Considering that he already tested with Williams and spent some time at the factory getting acquainted will all kinds of Williams personnel, while looking at how quickly he got on in GP2 and GP2 Asia, I don't think he'll need that much help.

Sepang or Shangha,i from which on Hülkenberg will match Barrichello.

[koper]

TBH I would expect such a thread to be started at least after a first race in 2010.

Now it's all about divination IMO

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by koper

TBH I would expect such a thread to be started at least after a first race in 2010.

Now it's all about divination IMO

We'll, you should have an estimation or opinion on how good a driver Barrichello is from his F1 years, and the same for Hülkenberg for his A1GP, F3 and GP2 efforts.

It's not divination. It's judgement calls and educated guesses.

Originally Posted by jab

I actually agree that Hulkenberg will do the business. The guy's got as good, if not a better junior record than Lewis. I think that there's a chance that by the end of the year, Vettel will become old hat and Nico will be the accepted new Schumacher. I don't think Rubens will be terrible - perhaps similar sort of form to DC in his later years, but Nico will just be better

If there's one person who can put Williams back on the top step of the podium after 5 years, it's Nico Hulkenberg

Wow, that's high praise indeed. I think Hulk and Vettel will become bitter track rivals as Vettel's not going to go away or fade. As for your last paragraph, I'm hope the Williams will be good enough to actually open up that possibility.

[koper]

Originally Posted by Satorian

It's not divination. It's judgement calls and educated guesses.

For me it's useless, nevertheless I'll try

I have never followed his career, all I remember is him in A1GP and that people were very enthusiastic about him so must have been doing a good job there. His CV does look impressive - but still it's difficult to judge. All I can hope is that he will do as good as Hamilton, Vettel. Hopefully he'll get a good car to show that up.

With regard to Rubens I've got mixed feelings. I like that guy, but he lacks something. He was nowhere near Button in the first half of the season. It was later when he started to do a good job. At least it looked like, but I don't know whether it was him ar the Button having difficulties with dealing with pressure.

Ok, so If Herr Hulkenberg turns out to be another Herr Vettel than I am sorry for Rubens.


Well, Satorian, what do you think about that? Did I get the thread right?

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by koper

For me it's useless, nevertheless I'll try

I have never followed his career, all I remember is him in A1GP and that people were very enthusiastic about him so must have been doing a good job there. His CV does look impressive - but still it's difficult to judge. All I can hope is that he will do as good as Hamilton, Vettel. Hopefully he'll get a good car to show that up.

With regard to Rubens I've got mixed feelings. I like that guy, but he lacks something. He was nowhere near Button in the first half of the season. It was later when he started to do a good job. At least it looked like, but I don't know whether it was him ar the Button having difficulties with dealing with pressure.

Ok, so If Herr Hulkenberg turns out to be another Herr Vettel than I am sorry for Rubens.


Well, Satorian, what do you think about that? Did I get the thread right?

Pretty much, yes.

I think it's always interesting to see how people assess a situation where information obviously isn't complete and how they approach it. Considerung that we rarely have complete information, I like reading people's ruminations.

By the way, off-topic: I have family that should live near you. Distributed around Mikolow, Mokre and Tychy.

[jab]

A bit. But you can still make rough guesses. I remember debating on another forum about who would come out on top between Rubens and Jenson with some Rubens fans (just to prove I'm not always anti-Button )

I actually agree that Hulkenberg will do the business. The guy's got as good, if not a better junior record than Lewis. I think that there's a chance that by the end of the year, Vettel will become old hat and Nico will be the accepted new Schumacher. I don't think Rubens will be terrible - perhaps similar sort of form to DC in his later years, but Nico will just be better

If there's one person who can put Williams back on the top step of the podium after 5 years, it's Nico Hulkenberg

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by jab

Vettel will become old hat and Nico will be the accepted new Schumacher.

Vettel will be WDC and accepted as Vettel

Originally Posted by jab

If there's one person who can put Williams back on the top step of the podium after 5 years, it's Nico Hulkenberg

I can't help but feel that with the Cosworth engine, for whatever reason, Williams will get nowhere near the top step of the podium.

One thing i do agree with you one though is that Nico H is an exceptional talent.

[jab]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Vettel will be WDC and accepted as Vettel

I think Hulkenberg will overshadow Vettel. He makes less mistakes. Even if Vettel wins a title, I think Nico will win 2. I think Vettel will become to Nico what Piquet was to Senna - the slightly older, lesser German

Originally Posted by Mr V

I can't help but feel that with the Cosworth engine, for whatever reason, Williams will get nowhere near the top step of the podium.

I'll make another wild(ish) prediction - the Cosworth will be the most powerful and best engine on the grid next year. They've had time to develop it this year which will give them a headstart

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by jab

I think Hulkenberg will overshadow Vettel. He makes less mistakes. Even if Vettel wins a title, I think Nico will win 2. I think Vettel will become to Nico what Piquet was to Senna - the slightly older, lesser German

Hmmm. Tough call on who's better between those two, but I don't think Hülkenberg will overshadow Vettel. I think Vettel will be able to hold his own.

I'll make another wild(ish) prediction - the Cosworth will be the most powerful and best engine on the grid next year. They've had time to develop it this year which will give them a headstart

Considering that the FIA wants to present the Cosworth engine as absolutely viable option, considering it's their baby and fought a lot for it, I'm convinced the FIA will make sure that it's going to be competitive in all aspects at the very least, possibly even outperform some of them.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by jab

I think Hulkenberg will overshadow Vettel. He makes less mistakes. Even if Vettel wins a title, I think Nico will win 2. I think Vettel will become to Nico what Piquet was to Senna - the slightly older, lesser German

Ha ha see you in the Vettel vs Hulkenberg thread

As i said previously, i think Nico is an exceptional talent and Germany may well find themselves with the best 2 drivers on the grid in the future!

But for Nico to become the Senna to Seb's Piquet, he has has to do some winning etc and if Nico has 5 win's, 9 podiums, 5 poles and 125 points in his first 43 races i'll eat my hat!

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by jab

A bit. But you can still make rough guesses. I remember debating on another forum about who would come out on top between Rubens and Jenson with some Rubens fans (just to prove I'm not always anti-Button )

I actually agree that Hulkenberg will do the business. The guy's got as good, if not a better junior record than Lewis. I think that there's a chance that by the end of the year, Vettel will become old hat and Nico will be the accepted new Schumacher. I don't think Rubens will be terrible - perhaps similar sort of form to DC in his later years, but Nico will just be better

If there's one person who can put Williams back on the top step of the podium after 5 years, it's Nico Hulkenberg

Agreed.


How do the Germans keep pumping out these guys? I think I'll marry a German and hope my kid is a ridiculously awesome racing driver.

[Super Hans]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Hulkenberg gets on. He has four single seater titles to his name already so it's unlikely he'll be a slouch.

[runshaw]

I think he will beat Barrichello, his racing 'CV' is pretty much a match for Hamilton's. FBMW ADAC champ, A1GP dominant champion, F3 Masters winner, F3 Euroseries dominant champ, and GP2 champ! He is one of the few drivers who come into F1 and you immediately expect him to shine, just like Lewis, Kubica, Vettel, Raikkonen, etc.

[steve_r]

I don't know much about Hulkenberg, but his CV looks impressive. Surely there is no better yardstck in F1 than Barichello. If Hulkenberg matches Barichello, he has done very well indeed.