WEC 2012 WEC Entries

JAG · 29 Sep 2011, 17:50 (Ref:2962610)

Seeing as it's that time of year, here's a prospective 2012 grid, add and delete as appropriate.

LMP1

2x Audi Sport R18
2x Peugeot Sport 908
?x ORECA/Peugeot/Nissan
1x Strakka HPD
1x ? HPD
2x Rebellion Lola-Toyota
2x ? Lola-Toyota
1/2x Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo-Judd
2x OAK Racing Pescarolo-Judd
1x Hope PoleVision ORECA Hybrid
1x Mik Corse Zytek Hybrid

LMP2

2x Greaves Motorsport ?-Nissan
1/2x Signatech ORECA-Nissan
1/2x Level HPD
1/2x Dempsey Racing Lola-?

GTE Pro/Am

2x AF corse Ferrari
2x Luxory Racing Ferrari
1x Krohn Racing Ferrari
2x Labre Corvette
2x Team Felbermayr Proton Porsche
2x Jetalliance Lotus
2x AMR Aston Martin
1x Gulf AMR Middle East Aston Martin

FordCosworthPanoz · 29 Sep 2011, 18:02 (Ref:2962616)

You can add Risi to the list for GTE Pro/Am after what Murphy/Kjos said in his latest article. Dempsey has ruled out a full time WEC campaign it appears. Is Hope Racing done in general or is it just their Hybrid LMP1 program that is dead?

Victor_RO · 29 Sep 2011, 18:10 (Ref:2962620)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Is Hope Racing done in general or is it just their Hybrid LMP1 program that is dead?

They've given up with their FLM car for the last two LMS races as well, so it's a possible sign that they're done in general.

JAG · 29 Sep 2011, 18:13 (Ref:2962623)

Hope PoleVision said they were developing the car further before returning in 2012, we'll see.

http://www.hoperacing.ch/?lang=en

The Badger · 29 Sep 2011, 18:12 (Ref:2962622)

Maybe Rebellion will do ALMS .

2 cars for Strakka .

I have very little hope for Hope Hybrid system .

JAG · 29 Sep 2011, 18:16 (Ref:2962625)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Maybe Rebellion will do ALMS.

I think they'll have ALMS outings but not sure they'll compete for the season. Seems to me they are arguing for the best equivallency (and rightly so) for the 2012 WEC which of course includes Le Mans.

Fogelhund · 29 Sep 2011, 18:38 (Ref:2962633)

The Tribes of Miami Honda's future is dependent on how long they can hold off the law, which they've done a good job of so far... but at some point it's going to end.

NelisB · 29 Sep 2011, 18:55 (Ref:2962642)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

The Tribes of Miami Honda's future is dependent on how long they can hold off the law, which they've done a good job of so far... but at some point it's going to end.

I think both rebellions will be in the WEC. Seeing as they are likely to do WEC. according to the speed article.

Think Dempsey will do a permanent ALMS entry with a Lola-Mazda.

jo1998sh · 4 Oct 2011, 18:47 (Ref:2965711)

Pegasus racing deciding between one car WEC campaign or a 2 car LMS campaign with an Oreca 03 in LMP2

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-8452.html

(In french)

JAG · 4 Oct 2011, 19:37 (Ref:2965740)

Signatec say they want to run two cars in the WEC but don't say which class.

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...%26prmd%3Divns

JAG · 5 Oct 2011, 03:52 (Ref:2965909)

Rumour is ORECA are going with the latest 908, could push Audi into supplying customer cars to compete for the manufactuers title.

ATM, you could argue the ILMC title means little, winning individual races being of greater importance, a World Championship is a different kettle of fish.

JAG · 6 Oct 2011, 14:27 (Ref:2966672)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Signatec say they want to run two cars in the WEC but don't say which class.

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...%26prmd%3Divns

Autosport say they aim to run two 03 P2's while 35 full season entries are expected.

The Badger · 13 Oct 2011, 18:52 (Ref:2970638)

Be nice to have DAMS back again ..... excellant team with a great pedigree .

**joeb** · 13 Oct 2011, 19:49 (Ref:2970669)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Be nice to have DAMS back again ..... excellant team with a great pedigree .

They helped run the United Autosports entry at Petit, don't know if that sways their interest to a certain category or make for sure, but it is experience.

Canada ALMS fan · 13 Oct 2011, 20:36 (Ref:2970687)

Surely Porsche will find it necessary to have a factory backed effort in GTE-Pro for 2012? That was one of the big surpises this year for me, I thought for sure they would have backed one of the top teams.

Simmi · 13 Oct 2011, 22:08 (Ref:2970744)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Surely Porsche will find it necessary to have a factory backed effort in GTE-Pro for 2012? That was one of the big surpises this year for me, I thought for sure they would have backed one of the top teams.

Agreed. I know it's not the biggest of races but Zhuhai coming up just has a single Porsche competing. Not good enough. They must realise its value given they have committed to an all out LMP1 entry so I'd expect something next year in terms of GTE.

The Badger · 14 Oct 2011, 10:30 (Ref:2970979)

DAMS ran the Cadillac programe in Europe for their first 2 years , and did lots of winning in their P1 Lola/Judd GV4 a few years ago . Very good team with lots of pedigree , and been around for ages .

Im delighted for their return . It was initially set up by Jean Paul Driot and Rene Arnoux and stood for Driot Arnoux Motor Sports . Among other things F3000 multiple championships and possibily F3 too .

Simmi · 14 Oct 2011, 15:08 (Ref:2971166)

I'm hopeful that this ambitious assault from Toyota over a short period of time will encourage the likes of Nissan to try something similar. No need to necessarily wait for 2014 if the marketing people want to go racing.

LeMans.pt · 14 Oct 2011, 15:12 (Ref:2971168)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

No need to necessarily wait for 2014 if the marketing people want to go racing.

That's exactly what a Nissan Europe source said during Silverstone at Radio Le Mans.

Simmi · 14 Oct 2011, 15:15 (Ref:2971172)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

That's exactly what a Nissan Europe source said during Silverstone at Radio Le Mans.

Yeah that was what got me hoping they could pull a programme together. Like Hindy just tweeted, they are the only ones missing from the party in LMP1 next year as it stands.

The Badger · 14 Oct 2011, 17:31 (Ref:2971236)

Take into consideration

ALMS champions and 2nd placed car . P1 and GT ..... 4 cars invited .
LMS champions and 2nd placed car . P1 , P2 , GTpro & Am . 8 cars invited .
ILMC champions and 2nd placed cars . P1 , P2 , GTpro & Am . 8 cars invited .
Le Mans winners and 2nd place . P1 , P2 , GTpro and Am . 8 cars invited .
PLM class winners . P1 , P2 , GTpro & Am . 4 cars invited .

thats 32 auto invitations for 55 places as I wont count the Delta wing rubbish .

That leaves 23 invites for others . Time to start limiting works entries for fairness , if for no other reason . I also feel that manufacturers should be made supply a privateer . By limiting the works effort , they would have to supply a privateer . 2 works Pugs and 1 private Pug is enough for anyone .

Michelin greenX challange not sure .

Not many places left eh !!!

LeMans.pt · 14 Oct 2011, 17:38 (Ref:2971241)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

That leaves 23 invites for others

And WEC full season entries are auto invited? I believe they will...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Time to start limiting works entries for fairness , if for no other reason .

Not many places left eh !!!

Agree... but how?

The Badger · 14 Oct 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2971246)

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Originally Posted by LeMans.pt

And WEC full season entries are auto invited? I believe they will...

Agree... but how?

Limit the factory team to 2 entries , and let them supply a privateer . That gives 3 entries .

deggis · 14 Oct 2011, 18:04 (Ref:2971249)

In theory 32 auto invites but in practice many of those are duplicates and some of them will be be taken (at least the Dyson one).

I feel like GT Am is wasting entries because there has to be certain amount of cars to call it a class... If it was a cup inside unified GT class it would, in my opinion, save few spots because the entries could be then split 1/3 between the three classes. Plus I just don't see the point inviting "rich amateurs" in an era with plenty of pro entries (includes 3rd cars).

LeMans.pt · 14 Oct 2011, 20:59 (Ref:2971326)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Limit the factory team to 2 entries , and let them supply a privateer . That gives 3 entries .

C'mon... that's easy!
How to define a privateer? Believing that Abt will have a R18 in 2012, do you define them as privateers? If most of the engineers are from Audi, and the mechanics, what will distinguish them?

There are many ways to overcome it.

I would do this:
For 3 cars at Le Mans, the third car should be a (works, semi-works or privateer) full ALMS or LMS commitment.

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