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WMSC hearing - McLaren fined $100 million/excluded from WCC (MERGED)
OK, the WMSC espionage hearing began early on this morning and has broken for lunch right now.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62305 Notes:
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No Honda or BMW present...
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And here is Mike Coughlan's version of the various events plus an apology:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62303 |
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Coughlan's version is just a bit odd - it's basically, "I told him to stop contacting me then took masses of confidential Ferrari information because I was curious and thought it would be rude not to take it". I mean, what???
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Good work Knowlesy.
We won't hav any idea in Oz whats going on till 9am tommorow, so keep us upt to date, mate! Interesting they used Lewis as a character witness. I heard rumblings before that Mclaren were going to use the arguement - We are in trouble for having attained document that prove that Ferrari Cheat - but this would have ruined their old argument. Will they do it now? |
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Mike's statement is weird. I mean, obviously he is trying his best to be kind to Mclaren (whom he did wrong to), to his wife (who unfortunately got dragged in) and to Ferrari (who is going to take civil action against him)... but his part of destroying the hardcopy, claiming not wanting anything to do with it ...yet he goes on to copy it onto disk. Not the best way of wanting to stay away from those information. His excuse is equally dubious, why not just return the whole copy to Nigel, or to Ferrari directly?
The hearing would be best served if the details are later made public. It may stir some heated discussions in forums worldwide.. but at least we won't be kept unknowing if the decision is made because of the WDC fight or because of any team preferences.. Whatever the outcome, nobody will be pleased. Some Ferrari fans will feel it not enough, however harsh the punishment. Some Mclaren fans will feel it too harsh, however light the punishment. Let's hope some degree of sanity prevails after the outcome. |
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No doubt this sort of thing goes on all the time, but this time someone was caught because he was too lazy to scan them himself....
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It's unlikley he gave away the 'Master' of anything, Stepney could get as many copies of those documents as he wanted I imagine - I admit I haven't been keeping up with this scandal at all, but it seems a very poor defence justification for that particular action of his. |
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Pretty weak stuff from Coughlan. Sounds like a desperate man to me.
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Having read through the posted link, it all seems like pretty standard commercial shenanigans to me....bit of a storm in a tea cup really. Trust the press (and the Italians) to try and ruin the best F1 for years - they should just leave it be and get on with the racing. |
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<Raises hand> I wouldn't do it.
And the nationality of the teams involved has very little to do with this. |
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He's desparate because he is probably not going to be able to work in the industry again (Although who knows - if that tart Kate Moss can snort a load of coke, get villified in the press, and still get a huge modelling contract....) It's a shame that an industry that should be driven by engineering excellence, (and great driving!) is going to same way as the rest of industry - to the court room. James |
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Being an engineer yourself, you should know that (at least in Canada) you are bound by law to a code of ethics. Trying to justify his actions based on engineering curiosity is weak... very weak.
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Hmmm, I heard on the beeb at lunchtime that if McLaren get penalised in any way they will appeal immediately and also offer up alleged evidence that 'another leading team' has been 'cheating.'
Naturally I doubt we'd even dare write who that team might actually be but i'm assuming it isn't the Red boys?! |
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Well i'm kinda glad you've posted that and not me!
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I do wonder how many of us, in Coughlan's situation, would return these files.
To be honest, even if he had returned them, we'd still be sitting here today debating all of this. It is an extreme and very public variation of common practice. |
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Those kinda' things seem a bit 'playground-war' like to me - if they have evidence of a wrongdoing by any team, they should bring it to the FIA, seperate to any other things they are involved in! |
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It it wasnt curiosity, what was it? The company I work for buys in competitors devices, and out of curiosity, I took one apart the other day. I suppose it possible that some of the features may influence what I do in the future (unlikely, because it 'excellence' level was below ours!), but it was curiosity first and foremost. The same curiosity that has engineers pouring over pictures of competitor product, the same curiosity that has them wandering around the trade shows looking at equipment etc. Quote:
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