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I think women in motorsport is exremely important. We need them to get the stubbies and make the salad and butter the bread. They can clean the bbq at the end as well.
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Would you argue that women should be excluded from racing as they cannot possibly win the championship, and therefore are depriving a drive from a man who could win it? Just because something has not happened in the past does not mean it cannot happen in the future. |
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She lost that championship by one point and did a bloody good job to be in that position but the point is that she did lose and that her gender might have contributed,only she would know that. I have never said that any female should be excluded from racing but you may be right about excluding a male that could possibly win it. Given that all is equal in terms of equipment at the start of a race,females have as much chance as males when they step into the seat and maybe more chance than even some of the males but for whatever reason they nearly always find a way to lose it. You may indicate that i am a moron but can you tell me why it has never happened anywhere in any country in 100 years then? Last edited by Dasher; 25 Oct 2008 at 11:05. |
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The US Military, and the Marines in particular, are very happy with their female F18 fighterpilots. They have bodies better suited to high G´s, as they tend to be more compact, less way between brain and heart.
And they do very well, thank you. So saying that unless a female driver wins a major championship, they are rubbish, does not make sense to me. There are lots of male drivers, not winning anything either. And no one picks on them ? |
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I'l drink to that.
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What does a driver need really?
A good, but not olympic level of person fitness. Good reflexes Good decision making ability Experience Strength?...well none of our current drivers look strong in terms of footballers or athletes. LT looks like she could be fitter, but then I only see her in race suit and have no desire to see her in less. Experience...not many women get the chance due perhaps due to prejudice at times, mind you this also happens for male drivers. |
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Statistically there would be only a certain proportion of male racing drivers who have won major championships. It would be interesting to see how that percentage compares with the percentage of female competitors.
If there are 20 competitors in a championship, and one winner, that is 5% of competitors who can win in any one year. If that was the average, then allowing for multiple winners, less than 5% of racers win major championships. If there are more than 20 competitors, then it is even less than 5%. What percentage of competitors in major championships are female? It would also be less than 5%.... I'd be surprised if it was more than the total percentage of competitors that win the same major championships. There are none in V8SC, none in NASCAR, none in F1. A couple in IRL, and there are a few others, but not many. Statistically, what does that tell us? Maybe only that a competitor in a major championship is more likely to win it than to be a female. Even at the extreme top end of the potential statistics, lets say that 5% of competitors win the championship, and 5% are female. This means that the chances of a female winning are 5% of 5%, which is only 0.25%. Historically, the female proportion of racers in major series would be far less than that. There may (possibly) be more now, but if we are looking at why it hasn't happened in the past, then this is relevant. If the stats are actually only between 2% and 3% for both factors, that gives only a 0.04-0.09% chance, statistically, of a female winning a major championship. Hasn't happened yet, but one day it could. Last edited by Rombles1; 26 Oct 2008 at 01:38. |
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Firstly to Rob29, do you mean by Black (negro / African - American),Yellow (Asian),Brown (West Indian)?, well if you do ,we are about to have a West Indian as F1 World Champion, we haven't had too many black (negro) racing drivers at all they seem to do much better at golf,tennis,basketball,athletics and the like, but there has been a number of yellow (Asian) drivers that have won championships but mostly in asia (funny that).
To Bestfit, it doesn't really count being a passenger. To Aslak Vind, great but why hasn't it ever transferred into a motor racing championship. To Nero, you're exactly right,but why hasn't it ever transferred into a motor racing championship. To Rombles, Forget your stats they mean nothing except as below, If any female is a competitor in any championship they have as much chance to win as any of the males around her in a class of 20 they all have a 5% chance of winning at the start, I agree that the chances of a male winning are far greater than a single female on a male to female basis. But what i mean is on the ability & talent percentages the female may have a greater percentage of winning in her favor than the males, BUT they never have. WHY, this is the question ? |
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Should offer Leanne a drive in CommCup next weekend and see if she beats the regular blokes. I reckon she could give them all a very big scare....
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The monkey (passenger) is every bit as important as the driver in a top class racing outfit and no driver will ever win a championship without a 1st class monkey. Chivas / Halliday won several. I'm struggling to see the point of this discussion. Drag racing doesn't count. Rallying doesn't count. Sidecars don't count. I don't think you are looking for an answer to your original question, you've already decided that. It seems you are just looking for someone to agree with you. |
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However if you don't see the point of this discussion then don't read it and don't respond to it. Nobody has yet been able to give a definitive answer to why except to go down the coulda,woulda,shoulda line. How hard is it for you to understand what a motor racing championship is? Its not bikes,its not drag racing,its not rallying, its single driver,four wheels on a track designed for circuit racing. I concede that there has been some exceptionally talented females over the years and some have won some important races but never a championship of note, WHY? I haven't answered it, i have only given my opinion like you have. |
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And that isn't the entire answer either, as some female drivers i know have bigger ones than some of the blokes (so to speak). |
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In the spanish F3 championship there is girl called Natacha Gaghnang who is leading the Cup with just 2 races to finish and also has mathematical options of winning the scratch classification.
Faster than the former Renault Driver Development program Nelson Panciatici, sometimes faster than the Red Bull driver and BF3 champion Jaime Alguersuari. She is far away better than the average male drivers. |
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Let's wait til the Spanish Series is over and if she wins, then the debate is concluded
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Interestingly enough,she races in the Spanish F3 "Cup" class which is like the National class in the Aussie F3 series and is in contention for an outright series win as well. She must be an outstanding talent and not half bad on the eye either. |
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