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http://www.alfanord.pt/pages/290/_46b33f9d78a81.jpg Some nice 1983 pics from the site you found http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.2.jpg http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.1.jpg http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.6.jpg http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.5.jpg |
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Lovely pics there, thanks for the links you two!!
Couple of points to consider perhaps: the series that 745 Bimmer competed in, was that entered in the main South African Saloon series that later became Super Touring? I do recall the Sierra XR8's and Alfa's also looking fairly 'standard' compared to say, the big banger Wesbank silhouette racers which I'm sure were a separate class.. I'm guessing that this series was a kind of Group 1/Group A mongrel? I don't think the GTV6 was ever sold with the 3-litre lump in Europe as production vehicle. IIRC it was a South African and possibly American thing? Some people over here did get hold of one or two and some people converted their 2.5 litre cars to take the engine - not sure if it was simply a case of taking one engine out and sticking the bigger one in though! The guy who bought mine planned to do exactly that despite me politely pleading with him to leave it 'original'! |
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The 3-litre GTV seems to have been pretty much a South African-only thing, built in small numbers in South Africa- around 200 which seems to have been the magic number for homologation locally. http://www.alfagtv6.com/gtv6_30.htm I won't swear to it, but possibly Europe didn't get the 3-litre until the 164 and 75 were introduced around 1987 |
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They both confirm that TDR regular Mark Hales also drove the GTV6 in qualifying, but not in the race- in fact he actually qualified the car, being a couple of seconds quicker than the South Africans: Autosport: 'Of note further down the order was the performance of Mark Hales who qualified the Terry Drury Racing GTV6 for South African drivers Charles Brittz and Peter Lanz. Mark ran over 2 secs faster than the others, but was not to start....money talks.' 'Motor Racing' confirms that the car (and the Viana/Bianco Sytner BMW) was sponsored by 'Scope' and that Hales qualified it 24th overall /10th in class, fastest of the 3 drivers, but didn't race. Hales was also entered in Geoff Kimber-Smith's Corolla with GK-S and Peter Buxtorf (qualifying this car as well), but according to Autosport he didn't get to race the Toyota either (it retired) Not only that, but he was also nominated as a last-minute substitute on race morning for Luigi Alfa driver Pedro Meireles, taken to hospital with a liver problem on race morning. However, in the end, Bernard de Dryver was seconded into the Meireles/Melville car after his own retired early in the race, and Hales missed out on this drive as well! |
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During 1982 and 1983, the GTV6 2.5 litre was a match for the BMW 525 and 530cars and won more races than it lost, but with the arrival of the BMW 535, with a litre more engine capacity and 70 bhp advantage over the GTV6 2.5 litre, a solution was needed to maintain superiority. The enlarged Autodelta 3 litre engine had been built using the standard 2.5 aluminium block for use in a rally car, which ran with some success in European rallies, but plans to increase the 2.5 engine to 3 litres for production GTV6 cars had been shelved, because it would have placed the car into a higher tax bracket in Europe. Also, Alfa were already dominating the ETCC, winning the manufacturers titles from 1982 to 1985 with GTV6 2.5 litre cars, so a bigger capacity engine was not a priority for racing purposes. However, in South Africa that was not the case, and ARSA made an independent agreement with Autodelta, who began manufacturing the parts needed for the capacity increase - crankshafts, pistons, sleeves, cylinder head castings and bigger valves, all of which were made to the Sampie Bosman ARSA specifications. At first the engine work was carried out by Autodelta in Italy but due to the aggressive schedule, a team of technicians were sent to join ARSA personnel in South Africa, where the machining of the blocks and cylinder heads and most importantly, the development and tuning of the engine was carried out. The new crank gave a stroke of 72 mm, against the 68.3 of the smaller engine. The bore was increased from 88 to 93 mm. giving a capacity of 2934cc. This is slightly different to the configuration of the later 3.0 litre V6 produced by Alfa in 1987 for the 75, which had a bore x stroke of 93 x 72.6, giving a 2959cc capacity. The power output from the Autodelta engine was initially 192bhp, but was successively increased to 240bhp with increased valve sizes and continuous improvements to the inlet and exhaust tracts. For comparison, the original 2.5 V6 engine produced 160bhp and the later Alfa 3.0 V6 produced 188bhp. The Autodelta GTV6 also had a weight reduction of almost 100 kg over the 2.5 litre model. For racing, low and medium range torque was more important than top end power, so six Dell’Orto FRPA40 down-draught carburettors were installed, rather than the fuel injection used in the standard 2.5 litre V6. The series 1 Alfa 90 (1979) saloon had used a similar induction system, until replaced by fuel injection for the series 2 version (1983). This configuration was selected because air and fuel-flow modifications, essential for the large altitude differences between the various race circuits in South Africa were easier to accomplish. 200 were required for homolgation, but informed estimates for the actual numbers made vary from "less than 200" to 242. Very few original examples still exist, but I was fortunate enough to import one to the UK earlier this year. It will be on The Alfa Romeo Owners Club stand at the Classic Car Show at the NEC next month - Come along and say 'Hello' Last edited by drivers71; 21 Oct 2010 at 14:08. Reason: Font changes |
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another resurrection sorry.........i'm currently running a GTV6 in North West Sprints/Hillclimbs. It has previously raced in many Championships with Championship wins and higlighted wins at Spa and Nurbering, AROC, ARCA, BRSCC, CSCC (future classics) and now ANWCC & L&CMC Speed Championships.
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it is now back in it's works "ignis" colours as seen in the add posted earlier in the thread |
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South African GTV6 3 litre Group 1 racers
Can anybody suggest a source for the racing results of these cars in the South African Group1 races during the 1980s please?
In 1983 the 'standard' 2.5 litre cars raced in 1983, with the successful debut of the Autodelta-engined 3 litre version in September that year at Kyalami. In 1984 and 1985 the cars won the Championship, but I'm struggling to fine even a list of these events, let alone the entry lists and results. If anyone has these, or knows someone who may be able to help me, I'd be most grateful for the information. Last year I imported one of the 200 of these cars made (OK, maybe 213 to 230-ish) and am trying to piece together a complete history of these magnificant homologation specials, before it is too late. Thanks Rich Harman Birmingham, UK |
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The green car in this link is still about and races in the CSCC Special Saloons and Modsports revival series; I think it also races in the ARCA Alfa series, too. As an aside, the MSA has approved classes for pre 1990 and pre 1986 cars in its Historic Tarmac Rally Championship for 2016, run by the Roger Albert Clark Rally Club. I think that the 2 litre Alfetta GTs and the Alfa GTV6 were pretty successful on Tar in Europe in Group 2 and then Group A form and it would be wonderful to see such cars rallied in this series in the UK; not sure there are many about, though, unless someone brings one over from Europe. It would be a nice change from hordes of Escorts! And in another bit of trivia only loosely connected to this topic, the car in my avatar is an ex Works Toyota Carina that I raced in cscc Tin Tops for a while (now sold) but it was originally raced by Julian Bailey in NZ before being imported to the UK for Barry Barnes to race in the UK National Saloon Car Cup in the late 1990s. Last edited by andy97; 17 Feb 2016 at 07:34. |
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Whilst i'm looking for the 75 thread pics have turned up recently of the almost fully restored ARDT 75! Looking forward to seeing that out there next year.
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Simply gorgeous ex Luigi '85 ETCC car is now running and may well be entered for the MRL race at Oulton!!
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There are 2 GTV6s in the entry list at present - Paul Clayson and Ian Guest/Chris Snowdon - along with this forum's Peter Mallett in the Rover, of course!
I suspect the GTV6s will be a bit quicker than our 75V6 will be a few weeks later when we race there with CSCC. |
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I'm guessing the Guest/Snowdon entry is the very car I mentioned because i'm sure Chris told me at Donington in spring that they had a Luigi car in prep and that the red car was a kind of stop gap until it was ready? |
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