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22 Aug 2012, 11:37 (Ref:3122947) | #1 | ||
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Knockhill - Rounds 19, 20, 21
Oh well, I expected pullouts and we've got them!
http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=3113 That's a joke. Why commit to a series and then pick and choose what you want to do? Always get shortchanged up here, always. At least it's not frontrunning cars, as that would be a big shame. Yours, Angry of Scotland |
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22 Aug 2012, 13:26 (Ref:3123019) | #2 | |
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I think it's a joke, too. Sure, it's a long way to go to Scotland and it costs money. But honestly, UK isn't that large. Just as an example, the STCC teams where as high up as in Östersund in northern Sweden, and now less than 2 weeks later they are going all the way south to Denmark.
If the Knockhill round would have been south (think of like northern France, but still in the UK), it would have been all different. It's always such a big fuss about going north, and it's the same in Sweden even if Östersund managed to get decent grids for being 2012. |
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22 Aug 2012, 13:41 (Ref:3123029) | #3 | |
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Don't forget that the distance also plays a part in attracting sponsors/guests too. Not many of them will be prepared to take a plane trip to a BTCC event. It's not just the distance though. Knockhill is tight, twisty and short and has a history for incurring a lot of damage... particularly if it's wet. If I was on a tight budget it would be the one I'd consider missing too.
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It's hardly a surprise that Gilham isn't there though. Holland is in the second of his agreed meetings, and Thorney themselves had already withdrawn the car - it was a bonus to see Gilham in the seat at Snetterton.
Aside from extra fuel to drive north, what additional costs are incurred over a meeting at somewhere like Croft? |
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22 Aug 2012, 14:28 (Ref:3123052) | #5 | |
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Given the race of attrition most BTCC races seem to be these days, we'll be lucky to see five cars making it to the finish in each race!
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Yeah it does get very annoying when teams decide to avoid Knockhill, but I'm surprised the BTCC does not make a trip to Wales as well, it would be nice to balance things out.
Still, coming to Scotland would be nice. |
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22 Aug 2012, 16:24 (Ref:3123082) | #8 | |
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I would love to come to Knockhill, indeed I'd love to be able to afford drive my own car but sadly the budget isnt there. Such is the business of racing in the UK, people want to see it, will pay to see it but if the people that spectators want to see cant actually afford to go there is a breakdown in the system somewhere.
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I'm not sure how things are done for Knockhill, but I know that when the series visited Ireland, Mondello had to stump up a significant amount to cover the travelling costs of the circus.
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Food for thought, if there was another track (not replacing Knockhill) in Scotland that was closer to the borders, would that help with things for teams who can not make the trip to Knockhill while giving the Scottish fans a chance to see them? (Sorry, I was a little harsh with that last line in the prior post.) |
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I suspect it's not as much the location as that RAR doesn't have enough money right now to run all four weekends and Knockhill's probably the most expensive of the four, so it becomes the sacrificial weekend.
Honestly, I'm thrilled that Rob Austin has gotten on track as much as he has; it looked like he was completely done a couple of months ago. Steve |
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Cleland is there doing demo laps in his old Cavalier. The car may not meet S2000 or NGTC regs but if things get desperate I'm sure Gow will give the car an exemption and allow him to race.
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Something else to consider is that Knockhill is one of the tightest circuits on the calendar and - of those left - is the circuit where you are most likely to come away with some hefty damage.
Consider last year and the accident Austin had in race one. Something like that again this year and a large repair bill could finish him for the season. No team wants to miss a meeting and it won't have been an easy decision for those who are staying at home. At the same time, good to see Lea Wood's team making the trip having never made it up to Knockhill before. |
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Dissapointing but to be expected really, each year without fail there's one or two amiss.
I understand the reasons are budgetary and many elect to give it a miss, but I do honestly believe that there is a belief in UK motorsport that Knockhill is some hell hole that it only ever rains at and is a top of Ben Nevis. Having been to many UK circuits I wish they were all within 10 minutes of the motorway network like Knockhill is...! (BTW Craner should it not be Rounds 19, 20, 21??) |
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Well this is only Rounds 4, 5 & 6 for me then?
Which shall I change it to? |
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Change it to whatever you see fit.
On a more positive note, looking forward to the Minis and Scottish Classics again. |
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Circuits tightness and damage - been racing there of an on for 6 years, no damage infact the only person i saw going off with any serious damage was our freind in the orange Lambo a couple of years ago and he done it a few times. Cadwell - Thruxton - Brands, they all have there fair share of cars going off but its racing and drivers should adapt, knockhill isn't any worse than the rest in fact i would say since the improvements of the track over the winter its better with regards to run off Costs - If you can afford to run in the BTCC you should be able to attend the Knockhill round, i travel around the uk to events and live 3 hours north of the border. It surely is just diesel that's the extra cost, i don't even care if it isn't, the only 'away' round being knockhill and you get competitors giving it the elbow. I experienced this in some other clubs that had to travel to CROFT, living in the central part of the uk even within 100 miles of this area (milton keynes etc) you have pretty good access to most of the English circuits, where most of them lived, and one trip to Croft per year and it was a big bummer. In Crofts case, the circuit needs support the club/ DDMC and the track, same with Knockhill not having the same circumstance as Croft, but these big events should support them. Ok there are costs but tracks where money is made should essentially be able indirectly subsidize those who dont earn the top dollar. Nuff said |
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That said, it's a circuit I've been promising myself I'd travel to at some point and with it being a bank holiday weekend this year I'm heading north, and really looking forward to it. |
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