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Hmmm,do you have a sum in mind Stuart?
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If it comes down to it I'd rather see more cars out there than not. And, like it or not, for many 'developing' the car is as much a part of the sport as driving it. Yeah, it's not always fair and every championship has some Dick Dastardly who's going to bend the rules or blatantly cheat. But he still represents one more car on the grid... I was also thinking about my own car and how all this relates, the only really non-period part (other than safety stuff) that I'm using is an electric water pump. Is this over development? It's certainly helped with over heating and possibly saves money in blown engines so it's not always about the performance (although I'll admit that it might help with that too). I guess this goes back to the age-old 'dry sump argument' - make it illegal to keep costs down vs. increased cost of imploding engines |
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But the point is that there are too many "Dicks" on the grid,these people are responsible for the absence of others who simply refuse to race against bent cars.Super performance is not what's needed to make for good racing,closer matched cars always provide more of a spectacle than Dick roaring of into the distance with his hooky version.Plus of course there is more satisfaction from actually 'racing' against other cars as opposed to being out front on a high speed demo run. |
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I'll try and keep this brief. My first race car was a bog-standard road runner with nothing more than lowered/stiffened suspension and a well-prepared engine, as per the championship regs. In my first season I drove it to every meeting (including Spa) as there were extra points on offer, and it never let me down. The only 'development' the car received over the winter was a few tweaks to the suspension and a heat shield to channel cold air into the carbs. Next season my times improved and it became a properly competitive car. Stupidly, of course, I sold it (but it is still out there).
I then went through a succession of 'interesting'/'rare' cars on the basis that they were eligible for certain meetings/series, before eventually realising that in their homologated form they were never going to be competitive. One was a baby saloon, not particularly popular as a race car but with potential. I got a great engine-builder to build me a great (legal) engine and got to my first race at Donington to find there were another 8 identical cars in the paddock, all far more 'developped' than mine. Another was an ex-works 'special' (which really did deserve the epithet 'plastic pig'), but it turned out to be awful to drive and even with a big engine and more 'development' was still uncompetitive (I'd already guessed as much but left it to someone else to prove the point). On the other hand, I once had the pleasure of racing a Marcos 1800 on the Brands GP circuit (before 'Sheene' was straightened), which turned in similar lap times to those taking part in the recent Masters meeting. There was a car that needed no 'development' but was blindingly quick out of the box due to the brilliance of the original design and component choice (though it could have used a better synchro, from memory). Finally, a friend and intermittent visitor to this site has a Griff, and has spent much time and effort trying to comply with the papers rather than 'develop' it into a race-winning car. For them, having a straight car is more important than winning. As a competitor, isn't the object is to have fun and maybe overtake a few people during the race, then have a laugh about it afterwards in the paddock? The whole concept of altering the wheelbase or moving the diff to be 'more competitive' strikes me as completely bonkers. For spectators, it's great to see Minis mixing it up front with Mustangs and Falcons, even though it may rarely have played out that way in period (not sure a race made up entirely of Minis, Anglias and Cortinas would thrill the crowd in quite the same way, although last year's one-make St Mary's Trophy was entertaining as a one-off). At the end of the day, if people have money and determination, no amount of regulation or scrutiny will stop them 'over-developping' their cars. But as recent results have shown, it doesn't mean that a really well-prepared and well-driven, straight car can't win! |
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A very reasonable post and makes lots of sense.
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Well there you Ian - approval from the Grumpy old man!! For what its worth I am in your racing camp
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This http://bringatrailer.com/2010/06/11/...-griffith-200/might answer some questions.
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Hear hear.
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Of course we will
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