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I think the problem lies with the history of sportscar racing, many of us think the classic era of drive to the track, race and then drive home is the anchor of our sport. A lot of teams, like Intersport, are run like that; they have under 5 paid team members and a bunch of friends that come with and help because they LOVE being at the track. Teams like Audi and Pug, and even Highcroft, are new things to sportscar and it will take away for the sport to figure out where professional long-term teams like those in NASCAR and now F1 fit in. Wasn't it just a short time ago the garagistas were the admired little teams in F1 that fought and hung on with a lot less resources and have since been left behind. The little guys like Interport could fight for podiums even 5 years ago but are slowly getting left behind and it's a REALLY bad time to ask for cash when most companies are saving it or spending it to merge or buy into other companies. If there were more companies like Patron where an exec could go have some fun on the track and be able to present the benefits of sponsorship.
With ESPN moving back to NASCAR because of their falling ratings and reduced costs, we've lost a spot to move up like NASCAR had managed in the early/mid 90s. And sorry but this season is done now, football starts in 4 weeks so weekends are pretty much OVER for coverage on any US sports network or nightly news. Having PLM end the season as the biggest event is great but even NASCAR has a hard time selling the end of their season to sports fans. As I'm sure any southeastern college football fan can tell you, there's a LOT of crossover between the wine and cheese crowds at ALMS events and many of the SEC/ACC football games in the fall. |
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There is no analogy between league and automobile racing.
League sports have a dozen to dozens of games a year and many repeat at the same locati Outside of short track racing, there are rarely more than one or two races a year at any track from one sanction. If there are no tracks there are no races. If there are not enough fans in the stands there are no races tracks. TV does not mean jack-**** to race track owners and those who promote those races at the race track, so all this babble about TV is pointless concering the survival of the IMSA. |
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Champcar found that out the hard way at Road America, when Road America told them don't call us, we don't want you. If tracks cannot make money, they will not hold races, TV, as I said means bs to the tracks without which there is no series to sell to TV. TV is only important to those whose who sit at home and pay nothing to watch the race. |
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If Indy Car can run at Barber that's about money not loyalties. Which is why Watkins Glen has a real chance of happening despite the conspiracy theorist and as I said in the other thread a second ago, if you have 40-45-50 car grids next season, you already had problems at Lime Rock and complaints what are you going do with that many cars at Lime Rock? It won't happen that's what so where you going to go in the Northeast? Watkins Glen... |
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This is why Dual Tuner DVR's and Media Center PC's are popular. Record the race, watch the game, that's what usually happens. But that's only if the race which will be on ESPN and your NFL game is not on Sunday Ticket but on OTA TV. Otherwise you'll get a conflict flag on your DVR. |
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Then you need a new DVR, with Uverse I can pull in 3 recordings with a free channel to surf and even with Comcast I could record 2 HD feeds and watch a basic cable (non-digital) channel at the same time.
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I get conflict flags I tend to forget NASCAR and watch NFL only. Besides if I was crazy I could get TWC and then get the Ceton Cablecard tuner that just started shipping. I'll see your 3 streams of recording and raise you to 4 - Do a reg hack install another one and have 8 streams to record, what Conflicts? You can still install 4 OTA-HD tuners too. Try that with your DVR. |
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Daytona 500: 7.7 rating/16 share - 13.3 million viewers http://jayski.com/pages/tvratings2010.htm NASCAR for the season skimming through Jayski's list is averaging in the 4s I'd guess. Indianapolis 500: 3.68 rating - 5.8 million viewers http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2010/06...AMS/post/20274 From Wikipedia article on NBA Nielsen ratings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...ielsen_ratings Quote:
So you've been proven wrong with actual data. Anyone else have any logical fallacies they want to be cleaned up on? |
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You can look at an individual market and compare a race's ranking to what the local team did. But what's more important, getting a 4.3 nationally or the Buffalo Sabres getting a 6 in Upstate New York but a 0.1 over the rest of the country if that from a few people having NHL Center Ice? The race would have far more viewers. Last edited by Flyin Ryan; 11 Aug 2010 at 19:02. |
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As I said no fans, no race tracks, no races, TV is irrelevant, or maybe we can meet at Road America some time and you can tell the track owners how important TV is to them. TV only came to racing because it was big and TV wanted to be a part of it, NOT the other way around. As to stick and ball, no fans in the stands, no team, it leaves or it dissolved, ask Montreal. |
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Colin Cowherd made a great point yesterday(and incredibly relevant to this convo I might add.) The average American sports fan does not like nuance. They don't want to have to figure out why such and such is exciting. Expanding on that point, a guy on another forum made a great point. You can't see the expression on a driver's face when he goes through the Corkscrew, or the Kink, or down the final corner at Road Atlanta. Drivers, to the outside viewer, are faceless, and because you can't see the expression when they're on it, to the untrained eye, it looks as if anyone could do it. There's too many nuances, especially(!!!) in sportscar racing. |
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