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22 Jan 2014, 18:29 (Ref:3357156) | #2976 | |
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RML was an HPD customer in the recent past, was the first team to use the honda 3.4 V8 lmp2 engine in a not ARX chassis in 2010 and entered in the 2011 LMS season with a HPD arx-01d or g
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22 Jan 2014, 19:10 (Ref:3357167) | #2978 | |
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They are building the body for Marketing(to sell cars) only, not for any other reason.
The same reason they are using the MR NSX in a FR Series in Japan(marketing) |
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23 Jan 2014, 00:25 (Ref:3357239) | #2979 | ||
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23 Jan 2014, 01:35 (Ref:3357248) | #2981 | ||
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So... Yes, I (don't we all?) understand that marketing drives racing budgets and also may even define some elements of the solution (race in series X, needs to have styling cues that match the brand, etc.) But ultimately it is then handed over to those who do the actual work of putting something on track. And that is not the marketing team, but rather some type of motorsports division or a third party (parties) group of the same ilk. They work within the budget, rules and restrictions given to them. So you are saying that Honda has commissioned someone to create a new DP body and they have given them specific instructions to NOT include performance in its design. That the ONLY criteria is styling and likely cost? Richard |
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23 Jan 2014, 03:16 (Ref:3357260) | #2984 | ||
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23 Jan 2014, 07:56 (Ref:3357292) | #2985 | |
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Why would you make a fancy design when all DP's run spec aero parts? All you would really need is a generic shape with some NSX style headlights and front grille. Everything else is more a waste of time imo.
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DTM did something similar before switching to the new common template chassis. Before each season, they'd send all cars to the wind tunnel and 'aero-match' them, by determining the placement of the rear wing, etc. IIRC BTCC does something similar as well under their NGTC-regs. So taking style over substance and negating any possible aero-gains is not something limited to what was once Gran Am. |
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Does anyone know what they do with respect to the aero matching? Are they looking for total downforce, downforce balance and drag numbers? Even if they do aero matching, I expect they match only on specific criteria, but they can't match on everything. The bodies are different, they will have performance differences on track even if overall they perform similar on average (or at least to the factors they were balanced on). So for example... lets say that the Corvette DP body is pitch sensitive, or maybe has a sweet spot regarding rake, etc. Could Honda create a new DP body that still passes the IMSA "aero matching" testing, but yet still works better on the track? More forgiving to setup? Easier to drive? Or would it all be for naught in that if the car ends up being fast, it would go back for a second round of tweaks to slow it down? Is there any precedent for tweaking (slowing) a DP body once it has been approved? Richard |
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When they introduced the G3s, the Corvette was substantially compromised vs the Riley, as the latter didn't have to adhere to any styling cues. During the 2012 season there was quite a bit of back and forth, with the Corvettes gaining (being given, that is) an edge by mid season. So by summer, the Rileys that had been dominant at Daytona were nowhere to be seen until GA finally granted them 4 inches deep front diveplanes (vs 1 inch before). At the end of 2012 the balance between the Riley and the Vette was quite decent, so they pretty much kept that through 2013 without any big changes. |
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Before Honda completely switches to meh sounding V6's lets enjoy the sound of that lovely V8 one more time, with some video I shot at Petit of the Muscle Milk car... enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suwqO0E8v00 (I had forgotten how good that car sounded until I made this video haha!) |
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This was the design of Honda DP in 2012
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...130118&page=63 |
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Still rather see the GT500 GTR.
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Those look pretty cool
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I rather see Nissan dust off one of their R390 GT1 cars and run it as a DP
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