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I am sure that you have reliable sources but I can't see why (unless there are huge amounts of money involved) why Mercedes would want to help a competitor such as Ferrari or Honda although I can understand the Renault thing due to the quoted & already arranged technical alliance between the two companies regarding road cars. The rumour I find more believable is that Mario Ilien is personally helping Honda (again, involving huge sums of money) but I didn't think that he was involved with AMG Performance Engines (or whatever it's called) who are responsible for the MB powerplants, the company that was originally Ilmor... |
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McLaren can't explain "best day" of 2017
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...f-2017-895912/ obviously happy for them but have to admit the headline made me chuckle! |
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Let's hope they find out soon. Nothing worse than suddenly you're going better and don't know why
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In 2005, Mario Illien in partnership with Roger Penske, finalised a deal to purchase from Mercedes, the Special Projects part of the company which was under contract with Honda Performance Development, to jointly develop the Honda V8 used by the IRL. This new company, was once again known as Ilmor Engineering Ltd. and is totally independent of Mercedes. |
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As I mentioned in the Bahrain testing thread, on the Honda side, they seem to be working on engine mapping. They likely have been quite conservative up to now in attempt to get reliability. Given they are producing faster lap times (fourth fastest today) and managed to do a full race distance at the same time, they seem to be making some progress. Also... my opinion is that we likely will NOT see any drastic improvements until they release an updated engine (physical changes and not mapping changes). There is plenty of speculation as to when that will be. But I am guessing the Spanish or Monaco GP at the earliest. And this is assuming that they really understand what the problem AND solution is and that whatever they are working on now back at HRD Sakura will have a positive impact. Richard |
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McLaren are to get a reliability update for the Russian GP. I hope it works.
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so the F1 Strategy Group will apparently be looking at ways to try and bring the Honda engine closer to parity with the other engine manus.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-honda-897438/ definitely arguments for and against this sort of help so not sure where i would fall on this debate. |
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Maybe something crazy like allowing testing with the actual engine in the actual chassis would work? I know it would increase team budgets from $250 million to $251 million but I think it might just help.
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Autosport reporting that a Sauber-Honda deal for 2018 is imminent.
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In some ways, I think it's too early to try to consider concessions for Honda as I think even if you gave them some type of allowances, they are probably moving as fast as they can. Then again decisions on stuff like this can take time.
I am a big Honda fan, but I would not support anything that directly gives them a performance boost on track. Such as a different fuel allocation, etc. anything that allows them to run a different "spec" than everyone else. Not that I think the other teams, should or would buy into that approach. As mentioned above, maybe some testing allowances? Richard |
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Whatever happens next in this whole Honda saga the company is getting vast coverage in the sport's media, 5 out of 8 banners on the Autosport web edition were about Honda just now.
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Mercedes transferring help to Honda? Has someone gone crazy or something? Unless they are doing a joint alliance, I can't see it happening
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Well the boys in red are pretty close at the moment and the red bull team not far behind them, so for the first time in year there is actual racing, so why would mercs help honda
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Why not get to know exactly what your competitor is doing by providing the answers for them?
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self interest really...the healthier the sport the more they can get from their boards/ the easier it is to justify their huge budgets. and if more manus can be brought into a more competitive F1 the more people will watch and the more advertising/branding value they will get. Quote:
again self interest as they wont be offering to help for free. the manu which helps Honda Mclaren will no doubt extract a very healthy payment (and some favourable press) in the process. maybe im being overly naive here, but the new owners seem to be bringing in a new culture which seems to involve more cooperation among the teams and manus. its not BE's divide and conquer F1 anymore. another point, and just more speculating on my part, but if ICE related technologies are not the future, how much are they really vested in protecting their research? rather if this tech will never hit their road cars, selling their tech/expertise to a rival manus/teams/new entrants may be their last best chance to sell it to anyone. |
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I see only negatives if Honda is in receipt of a competitors help.For one thing it is a public acknowledgement of employing a team of engine developers who are not much good compared to the opposition.It also gives said rival the opportunity to market themselves as being so good that Honda had to come to them for help.Which company comes out of this situation looking best?
Is there an independent specialist with the level of expertise to help the project?We have had stories of Mario Ilien being used as an external consultant with the current generation of engines.Could there be other options too?Two or three current engines given to a discreet consultancy with a blank cheque might be a less conspicuous way to make progress and obviously they ought to maintain a parallel company programme? I wouldn't expect McLaren to have any quibble with the need to modify the packaging of the car if performance follows on.They certainly need to do something to add to the trophy collection if they are to avoid the fate of other formerly great teams like Cooper,BRM,Brabham,Alfa Romeo,Lotus and Tyrrell. |
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Autosport- http://www.autosport.com/news/report...8400e-36366415
Note the headline says Merc 'could' assist, so still speculation- probably! Some interesting snippets of info, though..... |
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